Conference Expansion: Big East Is Falling Apart Right Before Our Eyes
The Big East is on the prowl again and is looking to fill out their football conference and the latest name is the Memphis Tigers out of Conference USA. It is being reporting that the Big East and Memphis are in "the final stages of negotiations" to add the Tigers in all sports. This would be for 2013 and not 2012, and with this move it seems that the Big East does not want to wait around for Air Force to make choice.
UPDATE: Memphis is heading to Big East in 2013 and Louisville likely to the Big 12.
However, the Big East may want to speed up the time line by adding Memphis to the league in 2012 instead of 2013. With West Virginia looking like they will be in the Big 12 next year that would leave the Big East with seven football playing members. However, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is reporting that Pitt will leave to the ACC if/when West Virginia announces they will be in the Big 12 for the 2012 season:
I am now becoming more and more convinced in the conversations I've had in the past two days that Pitt will be in the ACC in 2012 and here is why - the school has had enough with the way the Big East has mangled this all and frankly is waiting on West Virginia.
If - or more accurately - when, West Virginia finally declares they are leaving for the 2012 season officially and the Big 12 schedule is announced with WVU on it, Pitt is going to follow them out the door and dare the Big East to stop them.
That would leave the Big East with six football playing members, and if Pitt leaves what is stopping Syracuse from leaving as well giving the Big East only five football members in 2012, probably nothing and they would likely leave as well according that report.
The Big East is obviously not looking like a power football conference and really haven't looked that way since Boston College, Virginia Tech and Miami left for the ACC. It has been able to have some very good teams with West Virginia and Cincinnati over the past few years, but if they lose Pitt, West Virginia and Syracuse for the 2012 season the league is a joke, and in my opinion lose their BCS status for the final two years of cycle since the would have only five teams for one year and then say 11 teams in 2013 assuming Boise State, San Diego State, Central Florida, SMU, Houston and as of now Memphis still want to be part of this mess of a league.
We all knew that the Big East was not going to be as strong, but I am starting to think that it is a mistake for Boise State, San Diego State and others to go to that league. There are no traditional football powers, and Boise State is the closest thing due to their dominance over the past decade, and after that who is it? Louisville, South Florida or Cincinnati who all were in Conference USA just a few years ago.
The television contract is not going to be that much better in the Big East than the Mountain West and if the BCS goes away to some sort of plus-one or eliminates auto bids then what is the point in joining the Big East? Yes, they maybe on ESPN, but what about road games that are on regional television, those would have to bought on the ESPN PPV package or watches online with ESPN3. At least with the Mtn. -- well assuming that is around -- CBS Sports and NBC Sports all games were on television and could be seen nationally, with the correct provider of course for Mtn. games.
With the public hit that the Big East is taking, Craig Thompson should try to get Boise State and San Diego State to stay.
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Brett McMurphy @McMurphyCBS:
Sources tell @CBSSports Memphis accepts offer to join Big East, announcement Wednesday
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/29532522
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Matt Hayes @Matt_HayesSN
Here’s what Memphis to Big East tells me: Louisville to B12 is happening. Big East moves to Memphis to secure that secondary area.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Louisville to Big XII
Will that mean that JM will put the heat on AFA even more? Or will they go after Temple, ECU or USM? Each one they lose means the “alliance” loses one more.
the alliance should be D.O.A.
no point anymore just raid the WAC/SBC and get it over with…especially since the AQ are about to end.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
And when the dust clears, Boise State and San Diego State will probably look foolish.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
unless kustra changes his mind and wants to stay. I'm thinking the Hair would have to go in that situation, like Beebe
"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse
by greekpadre on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Haven't seen any indication of that. Boise will end up in a weak football conference with no automatic bid, it seems.
Caps lock is not cruise control for cool.
Maybe....
but 4x the $ from the TV contract is worth looking foolish for.
Is it still going to be that high?
Not sure they can get $8 million a year with what really is Conference USA plus Rutgers, Boise and SDSU. And a UConn team about a decade removed from FCS.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
A stupid question
At what point does the original BE/MW/C-USA merger come back into play? Firstly, if Memphis is leaving C-USA, so they are down to 8 teams. The BE will continue to poach teams until it feels safe, which could mean ECU, USM… The “alliance” really has no more teeth. Since the Comcast contract is up, the MW should beef up, stop pursuing the AQ and actually ask a network what it wants to have as a product… then actually do it!
The glue that holds the BE together is not Syracuse, Pitt, UCONN or Rutgers. It’s ND. If ND gets nervous and splits: its over! That will pull UCONN with ND to the ACC. To take this to it’s logical conclusion, the ACC, SEC, Big XII (anyone else?) will gobble up the best teams and the leftovers will merge with C-USA. Who gets the Big Least’s AQ bid? If the MW keeps SDSU and Boise and goes up to 16 with a championship game (will have to play on weeknights for good $$ from network) that bid could go to MW for last 2 years, since it has already applied.
you make a good point. As a BSU fan, since Day 1 i've never been for going to the Big East...and if there is forgiveness among conference realignment stuff, the original merger should come back into the play
"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse
BSU rep
Boise State made its reputation playing on weeknights on ESPN. It earned the right to play marquis games on Saturday by kicking ass during the week and gaining that extra exposure. Pretty soon either the strengthened single conference model (following ACC and SEC) or the original merger will win out. Either way, the MW teams need to get paid more than the $1.6 million they get now. To do that, I believe Kustra is the guy with a plan, who can actually do it. Not “the Hair”. Boise State needs academic credibility and the conferences need BSU’s athletic credibility: there will be forgiveness either way, its all business. As this all falls apart, I am reversing my opinions on what the MW should do to protect itself.
according to my alumni news, plus what I hear from friends, academic credibility is on its way
New PhD program in Biomolecular Sciences is starting next Fall. $37 million College of Business and Economics building is going up, at least another 2 academic buildings have been built since I’ve left (2010).
I think we’re slowly on our way
"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse
Survival
Is what the Big East is looking for. They are a mi-major league in football with or without Boise State. I doubt the money will be there in bowl (playoff) money & the TV deal to offset four or five East Coast football road trips.
Big East will be solid in hoops with Georgetown, UConn, and others but will Boise State get a share of that money.
Plus there is something for regional rivalries which will eventually die off. I think Boise has a long term deal with BYU, but no more playing Fresno, Nevada or even lowly Idaho.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 7, 2012 5:03 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Survival...is the key, but you have to think SDSU's and BSU's ADs are continuing looking at all options.
I’ll point to the BE trying to get them to join for next season. Not only was there too much pressure to do so, but you have to be looking at what everyone was thinking for that situation.
"Natty Light: For when you absolutely, positively have to knock uglies with a corn-fed co-ed from the opposing school who’s half your age." -- jonfmorse
After a lot of thought...
The core of the MWC is staying pretty stable. UNLV, UNM, CSU, Wyoming, and AFA do not look like they are going anywhere. While Navy joining the BE could be tempting for AFA to join, I am not entirely sure Mueh will change his mind. Of all the institutions in this conference, they seem to be the least likely swayed for a couple million extra payout. Their primary goal is to train officers who will be serving the our country, and the burden of a student athlete at the Academy is already more than 95% of college students can handle. The extra stress of constantly going out east and way across country for any game, whether it is bball, volleyball, or football, is something they take very seriously. Academics are the primary goal at the Academy, and missing out on a lot of extra classes is just not in the cards.
With Nevada and Fresno joining, the resurgence of Wyoming football and basketball, and things on the up and up for men’s sports at CSU, I think the MWC is going to do just fine. I think the BCS will pull AQ, and there is some real credence to this with the BE losing all those guys (plus possibly Louisville) and taking on lowly Memphis.
I think that the MWC would gladly welcome back BSU and SDSU into the fold if it looks like the BE will not be a big money maker for them (especially if AQ’s get pulled). These things can be forgiven, as both schools were offered a much better deal than what the MWC could. Now, BYU… not so much.
Plus, if BSU and SDSU thinks they are getting an upgrade in commissioner… think again. While I am not a huge fan of the Hair, JM seems about 10x worse. The BE was sitting in the catbird seat. An AQ with only 8 marginal football members and a dominant bball group. Who would want to leave that? Apparently about 7 members over the span of 10 years. That dude obviously blows chunks.
"With the public hit that the Big East is taking, Craig Thompson should try to get Boise State and San Diego State to stay."
All Thompson would have to do is convince one of them to stay.
Don’t both schools have an out clause in the BE contract if there aren’t at least two members west of the Rockies?
or just convince Boise to stay
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/dec/13/big-east-sdsu-outline-agreement/
If for some reason Boise State changes its mind about joining the Big East in July 2013 as planned, the contract could be voided. It says neither SDSU nor the Big East will be obligated to the contract if the Big East does not have at least one other football-playing member west of the Rocky Mountains.
East:
Wyoming
CSU
AFA
UTEP
Tulsa
Rice/USM
West:
Nevada
UNLV
Fresno St.
Hawaii ( Football only)
UNM
SJSU/ Utah St (………..)
With Hawaii being a Football only member leaves us the with the option of either having them full members, inviting a non football school like Long Beach St. to keep us in South Cal, or try to keep SDSU in conference as a non football member.
One option is to move UTEP in the West with UNM and invite both Rice and USM and not invite SJSU/USU
Rice and Tulane are a pair
at least at this level, they won’t leave unless they get a big six offer, CUSA has a nice little core with Rice/Tulsa/So Miss/UAB that could easily attract others like UNT, LA Tech, Troy, ect…rather than join the MWC. The only reason Houston and SMU would have considered the MWC was because it was a fb powerhouse and because they also had TCU, now that both of those are gone I think Rice will stay put, and Southern Miss isn’t worth the hassle…not sure about Tulsa, that could have legs, but if UNT joins CUSA then I think they’ll stay…
Anyways, I say, WAC the WAC. Look, if you want 12 right away for the CCG to be included in the upcoming TV deal this makes the most sense, plus it kills the WAC as a fb conference which makes the deal even more important for ESPN/Fox/NBC to land, and leaves room for future upgrades or the turncoats…(Utah St/Idaho can be on which ever side they need to balance the divisions)
West- Hawaii, SJSU, Fresno St, UNLV, Nevada, & Idaho (possibly UC Davis/Cal Poly) (or SD St/Boise St if the BE falls apart)
East -Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, NMSU (if AFA leaves), & UTEP (possibly Montana/Montana St) (or BYU/Air Force)
I know everyone hates this idea, but come on, as much as yall rip on the Big East for sucking in 4 time zones, the MWCUSA could end up being the same thing if the merger goes through, if not worse sense they took all the best teams and the alliance will be in 5 time zones (thanks Hawaii :) The CCG gives the MWC some much needed extra cash, and the new schools add easy travel in the existing footprint. CUSA could also expand to 12 and then with NCAA approval, (which I doubt will be a problem especially if the plus one goes through) the alliance could still exists by simply having a 2nd championship game between the two conference winners.
New CUSA-
West- Tulsa, UNT, Rice, LA Tech, Tulane, & MTSU
East- So Miss, UAB, ECU, Marshall, FAU, & FIU (or Troy/Temple)
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Kinda funny that everyone in Miner Rush change their attitudes and opinion with this move.
Some are wanting them and Tulsa to go MWC now
Honestly I like the WAC leadership better than the MWC
Obviously the WAC had to resort to desperate measures and is pretty watered down but what if AQ and the BE went away I’d rather have the WAC reorganize and we created a true WAC again. Absolve the MWC, it’s got a CRAPPY TV contract and an even crappier Commissioner. Put the Texas/Louisiana schools in CUSA, have a football conference of:
UNLV
UNR
BSU
Idaho
Utah State
UNM
NMSU
FSU
SDSU
SJSU
Wyoming
CSU
That’s a true western market right there…
What about Air Force?
And what about Hawaii’s football team?
Overall it sounds like a sensible conference geographically.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS
Forgot about AFA... If they still want to go to BE to play Navy they can or they could replace SJSU
SJSU might fit better in Big West…
by BSUbluNorange on Feb 9, 2012 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
Think Big
If the ACC and SEC are at 14 teams, then there is a reason for it: $$$. In an article on CSB sports, the ACC has received $1-2 Million more for each team in the league by adding Syracuse and Pitt.
http://eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34740472
That bumps them almost to Big XII money. Once the others see this, how long do you think it will be until they follow suit? At 8, we will get nothing. At 12, we gain a championship game, which will bring in some extra money, but we need more. The SEC and ACC have figured out, that they can get more games on TV and have more people in more stadiums, if they expand to 14 – 16. The internet is rampant with ACC expansion rumors. The bets are even right now, whether the ACC will get ND and then UCONN/Rutgers.
What is becoming clear is that regional rivalries sell. They sell to the public, so the ad execs from ESPN, CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX are tripping over themselves to get a big enough share of the market. Therefore, we need teams in every state that is in our geographical footprint and we need to revive or keep any old rivalries we can. This is the only way to get a bigger slice of the pie. We lost Utah and are losing Texas and Idaho. We are exchanging one California team for another. We MUST have bigger presences in Texas and California because the TV companies want those TV sets. Together, they outnumber the rest of the states combined. They might not get everyone in the areas, but the potential is there:
MW North:
AFA, Wyoming, CSU, Idaho, Fresno State, SJSU, USU, Nevada
MW South:
North Texas, UTSA, UTEP?, Texas State, Hawaii/DU, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico State
7 Game regular season conference schedule with 1-2 crossover, rivalry games. The WAC has four bowl tie ins and a $400,000 a year, per team deal. Take them over and add $$$. We would have 9 bowl tie ins, which increases the potential payouts. Offer to play during the week for more leverage on payout and exposure. We can’t demand the money the AQ conferences get, so we need to offer something they won’t: Tuesday – Friday night games. Our teams will get $1.6 million payout this year. By taking these outlined steps, following what made BSU big, what got CSU into the top 25 in the late 90’s, we can do it again and ESPN (other?) will pay for it. We need a base, minimum package of $32 million annually. This would be $2 million for each team guaranteed. This would include regular season games, championship games and basketball tourney mens’ and womens’.
Not a better TV contract in the Big East ...?
You said:
The television contract is not going to be that much better in the Big East than the Mountain WestWhat makes you think this? The Big East was offered a ton of money from ESPN before the latest chaos started (which they turned down, thinking they could get more). I don’t necessarily think they’ll get that same offer again, but I do think that they’ll get a good offer that will be more than the MWC’s contract, which just stinks.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS
I agree.
In the big population centers of the northeast, the Big East is really the only game in town for football. And although I don’t believe there is a tie between the basketball and football TV contracts, you have to know that ESPN might have to give over good dollars for football to keep their very popular Big East basketball games.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
Actually I disagree with you. That's what happens when I talk on the phone and post.
You forget about some other issues. NBCSports has now a 24 hour cable network whose content seems to be late night infomercials and hockey. I’m a hockey fan, so that’s good. And I can only watch that Sham-wow guy 400 times before I become homicidal.
Without any evidence whatsoever, what if NBC says, “OK we’ll take your crap football, but give us the basketball.” Even without WVU, Pitt, the Cuse, and Louisville (I just think that’s a done deal once WVU leaves), Big East Basketball is one of the top 3 conferences. (If UConn and Cinci leave, then stick a fork in it). Memphis upgrades basketball. And the Big East might pick up some basketball only members like Xavier.
I think the Big East is a mess. They really screwed up when they didn’t take that ESPN money, because you know Cuse and Pitt would not have left the building. WVU would stay. TCU, maybe maybe not. And they could have picked up Memphis, SMU and/or Houston. Marinato is a putz.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
by LeftCoastMan on Feb 8, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Memphis isn't better than anyone that's leaving in basketball
They are, however, way better than anyone else that’s joining (even if most of their wins of note have been vacated).
At least even
I’d say Memphis is a wash with Pitt and WVU for hoops, but are a step down from Syracuse.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
WVU was in the Final Four two years ago. Pitt, save for this year, is a powerhouse, usually leading the Big East. And of course, my Orange are one of the elite schools in the NCAA.
I think the Big East is going to take a step down in basketball, not getting those 11 bids a year. The ACC on the other hand….wow.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
Gotta love hockey
NBCSports has now a 24 hour cable network whose content seems to be late night infomercials and hockey. I’m a hockey fan, so that’s good. And I can only watch that Sham-wow guy 400 times before I become homicidal.
When you don’t get NBC Sports, you don’t get enough hockey.
When you don’t get enough hockey, you have too much aggression.
When you have too much aggression, your wife tells you to chill.
When your wife tells you to chill, you go and watch TV.
When you go and watch TV, you see the Sham-wow guy.
When you see the Sham-wow guy, you become homicidal.
Don’t become homicidal. Get NBC Sports.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS
I just am flip flopping on that
Unless ESPN over pays for hoops, which could be a possibility. And if they do that does Boise State and SDSU get a cut of the basketball money? That is where I was coming from.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 8, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
the key to the BE survival is the TV contract that is coming up for negotiation. With the exodus of football heavy weights Pitt, Syracuse and WVU, I am not sure how they pull off a major deal or even a deal greater than what they have now.
Nevertheless, even with all these defections I have read one story where their current contract is in danger of being voided.
The TV contact is the key and is the HUGE (like 10x) advantage they have over the MWC.
Once I read their TV contract is starting to unravel, I will then believe in the demise of the BE.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 8, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
EDIT: .... have NOT read one story...
by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
The Big East is a huge mess now
It’s not like WVU, Pitt and Cuse are football heavyweights, but they get a lot of TV viewing in the Northeast.
The Big East will survive, probably because of basketball. And I do not believe that BSU or SDSU will get any of the Basketball money.
The Big East gets about $35 million a year for basketball, and I believe $90 million a year for football. The football money is split about 60/40 between the football and non-football schools. The basketball money is split evenly. The Big East had an offer of $130 million a year for football before it began to unravel.
A BE football school gets around 12-13 million a year for both contracts, whereas, a basketball school gets around 6 million a year for both contracts. I think even the 6 million has got be above just about any conference except for the ACC, B12, B10, SEC, and Pac-12.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
Oh, one more thing
The BE walked away from a $1 billion offer (over 8 or 9 years) for football. Not the $3 billion that the Pac-12 got, but up there.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
we need some heavy meds...
to get rid of this Big yEast infection. its an epidemic that needs to be stopped.
by Masatoshi-san on Feb 8, 2012 12:23 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Keep it regional
Now is the time to grab key regional schools and add to the MWC. Forget the merger!! LAME!!! Keep it regional. The AQ is going away. Regional conference is easy on travel, keeps rivalries, and creates new rivalries.
MWC needs to grab Tulsa and UTEP from C-USA.Then grab NM State, Idaho, Utah St. and San Jose St. That gives you a strong 14-team conference in the western part of the country. I like this:
North: AFA, CSU, FSU, Idaho, SJSU, USU, and Wyoming
South: UNM, Hawaii, Nevada, NM St, Tulsa, UNLV, and UTEP.
Call it the Western 14, or some other clever name, but just keep the conference a regional conference. I could care less about the WAC or C-USA or the BE.
Agree but Air Force is leaving sooner or later...
leave the outlier Tulsa and weakest addition NMSU for now then when AFA leaves add NMSU.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011

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