Mountain West, Conference USA Merger: An Attempt To Be Relevant
When the announcement came to dissolve the Mountain West and Conference USA, I immediately thought about how this was an attempt at a new start and negotiate a new television deal. Then when it came out that the new league wanted to expand to 18-24 teams it seemed more like survival in numbers, because any addition is not going to be an on the field upgrade. There have been and will be a thousand jokes about the new league and rightfully so as it stretches from Greenville, N.C. to Honolulu is only 4,860 miles. Also, good luck finding a non-stop flight to most of these locations, and in the Mountain West getting to Laramie, Wyo. was the biggest concern. Now try to get to Hattiesburg, Miss., Birmingham, Ala. or Huntington, W. Va.
So, what is different this time around then the old 16-team WAC that split apart with their quadrant system and extensive travel which ultimately led to the formation of the Mountain West back in 1998 when eight teams broke away.
It would not surprise me if similar quotes will be mentioned again a few years into this new conference:
With Hawaii and the Texas schools separated by about 3,900 miles and four time zones, travel costs were a tremendous burden for WAC teams. The costs, coupled with lagging revenue and a proposed realignment that would have separated rivals such as Colorado State and Air Force, created unrest among the eight defecting schools.
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''If you're looking for reasons for today's decision, they'd definitely have to be linked to the financial impact that 16 schools have had - or the lack of financial impact,'' [WAC Commissioner]Benson said. ''My biggest challenge was to create a financial source that was enough to satisfy 16 mouths. Obviously we weren't able to do that. ... To give it two years is unfortunate.''
Or this more recent quote about 16-team leagues:
"There wasn't enough money at that time to satisfy 16 mouths so to speak," WAC Commissioner Karl Benson said Tuesday. "A 16-team WAC failed from within, not from the outside. There wasn't enough money to go around, and there was jealousy about who contributed more to the overall value. The 16-team WAC had geographical issues and academic disparities."
The old 16-team WAC figured they had good markets with Rice (Houston), TCU/SMU (Dallas), Colorado State/Air Force (Denver) and San Jose State (Bay area). That was flawed logic because in those markets those schools are well behind other schools and pro teams.
I know with more channels to broadcast sports like ESPN, FOX, CBS and Comcast the need for live sports programming is in high demand so money may be there to satisfy these teams. If the league stays at 16 then to make it worth wild the television contract would need to be about $2 million per team. That is just above what the Mountain West teams get, or $32 million per year. I just don't know if that can be reached, but to do so they need to have a television deal in place where a lot of their games are broadcast. Plus, with extensive travel that number may need to be closer to $3 million per school.
A conference television network should be put in place, which is why The Mtn. should just rebrand because it has the distribution with DirecTV in the leagues footprint and likely would increase their coverage area to get the channel in the area of the new schools. So, that would be the first thing to do, but make that channel host the lower tier games such as New Mexico vs. UAB for football and then put the better games on with a more prominent network. Also, placing games online would be a smart idea as well in addition to their television broadcast. This is a much better idea then starting a network from scratch and show more basketball and non-revenue sports.
If the league is to get to 24 teams and add the luxurious markets of Logan, Utah, Las Cruces, N.M., Ruston, La. or Miami with the grab of Florida International how much money do those markets really add. Answer: Not a lot. Just because there are a lot of games that can be offered does not mean people will watch. If a league getting to 16 or more then why did the Pac-12 turn down Oklahoma and Oklahoma State a few months back. In their case the Pac-12 was getting a national brand in Oklahoma and a good Oklahoma State team, so having numbers does not equal money.
I guess it does say something that games can be played between 12 p.m. ET to 12 a.m. ET with every time zone in America available at their disposal, but do people care about mid-major football with very few if any marquee teams, nope.
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This was a good read.
I am sure that the new conference is not going to schedule East Carolina vs Hawaii during the regular season.
Also the new conference TV deal should target at least $4 million/team. That way every university comes out a winner. Surely $64 million /year for the league is a reasonable figure.
I know
ECU and Hawaii may play once a decade, but just an example. As $4 million not sure. Rights have sky rocketed over the past few years so who knows.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 14, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
True
with a pod system I can see that. As for $4 million/year, hopefully they can get even more.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 14, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of excited
I grew up in Albuquerque but didn’t go to UNM (yet am a huge Lobo fan)…I went to ECU. So I am a fan of both and have a great interest in the outcome of this new conference. I was against the merger, but now that it is a reality I’m getting a bit pumped up about it. I want this to succeed and would love to see an ECU/UNM game played at ECU – I’m in NC.
I’ve read other posts and blogs and while there are harsh comments and jokes about the merger, there are many saying that this super conference can/will work. The scheduling and internal playoff system can work if done properly. And I really hope it does.
We know this conference is not a major conference, but I don’t care. I want to see good football amoungst teams in “my” conference. If a good tv contract works and I can get the “package” from my cable provider, I will. I couldn’t get The Mtn, so hopefully something better comes my way. Go Mount USA!!!
CCC- Confrence Coast to Coast
I was against this merger at first but with the 6 team 4 pod set up and the right additions this could rely work great. I actually suggested this in a post when the merger was first suggested and we still had Boise and company. I think the big e will fall apart in a couple of years. Go Coast to Coast.
by Wolf from 73 on Feb 14, 2012 6:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Scheduling
It does work out nice. Play five games in your quad and then one game in each of the other three.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 14, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I am excited too
and want this new league to succeed. Hopefully with the benefit of hindsight, the new commissioner will make smarter decisions.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 14, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
While I am excited that something is finally happening...
I really wish it was just 2 separate 12 team conferences with a play-in game for a big bowl (since the BCS moniker is going away) like the Sun Bowl (one of the oldest and its centrally located) versus the #2 Big East team (imagine the intrigue) , basketball is going to suck, why take 2 conference bids and combine them into one, especially since the MWC messed up the perfect 64 team bracket (which I attest would still be 64 if not for that extra auto-bid that caused the first play-in game), and I can’t imagine how Fresno St baseball is going to have enough money to fly around everywhere…this is just a little too crazy for my taste.
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
it's going to take some creativity to help keep travel costs down
But I could see the conference doing so in some capacity. None of the schools are marquee names, so pretty much all of them won’t wNt their travel costs to be super high, so maybe the demand to keep them low will force the league to figure out how to do so.
by pack_fan on Feb 15, 2012 8:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think it can be done
The divisions should be regionally based so travel shouldn’t be more then what it is now. The cross-divisional game will likely be once or twice a year, at least in football. As for basketball there will be a few more trips, if they do a 20-game conference schedule with 16 teams (using a round number to make things easier) there could be a home and home within the division for 14 games and then six others in the other division and only miss one opponent each year. If they insist on playing every basketball team then one team within their division they will play once.
That would limit travel to three or so long trip games for basketball and other sports.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 15, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Thats along the same lines I was thinking
It’s more on what they do with the sports other than football/basketball. I could see them setting it up where those sports are more of a regional split and limiting games against schools across the country.
Just throwing out a 24 school alignment
Here is a possible set up (with teams listed next to a possible non-football travel partner):
Mountain Division
Air Force
Utah State fb only (Denver all other sports)
Colorado State
Wyoming
New Mexico
New Mexico State
Pacific Division
Fresno State
San Jose State
Hawaii fb only (Utah State all other sports)
Idaho
Nevada-Reno
UNLV
Central Division
Rice
Tulane
UTEP
Tulsa
Texas-San Antonio
Texas State
Eastern Division
UAB
Southern Mississippi
East Carolina
Florida International
Marshall
Temple
The new conference could utilize a scheduling set up like the PAC-12, especially for basketball. The East Carolina/Florida Int’l and Tulsa UTEP are the least desirable, but the rest would work out.
UTEP
It would be nice if they could be in the Mountain division, just to rekindle those old WAC rivalries.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 15, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'll take a stab at it...
Football Divisions (play everyone in your division and one team from the other three)
Pacific Division
Hawaii (fb only)
Fresno State
San Jose State
UNLV
Nevada-Reno
Idaho
Mountain Division
Air Force(Big East bound)
Utah St
Wyoming
Colorado State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Southwest Division
Tulsa
UNT
Rice
Tulane
LA Tech
So Miss
Eastern Division
UAB
East Carolina
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
Marshall
Temple (fb only)
Basketball Divisions (play everyone in your division, half the teams in the other and possibly an extra home and home rivalry game)
Western Division
Fresno State – San Jose State
Nevada-Reno – UNLV
Idaho- Utah St
Colorado State – Wyoming
New Mexico – New Mexico State
UTEP – (Tulsa in other division)
Eastern Division
Tulsa – (UTEP in other division)
UNT -Rice
Tulane – LA Tech
So Miss – UAB
Florida International – Florida Atlantic
East Carolina – Marshall
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
Air Force...
Sorry, not going anywhere. They aren’t in college athletics for the money. They have stated they are loyal to the MW because the MW has worked with them in the past. Yes publicity would be good, but the sole purpose of the academy is to build leaders for our military, not athletes.
Idaho and New Mexico not much of a chance they bring nothing
Pacific Division
Nevada
Fresno st
Hawaii
UNLv
San Jose st
Utah st
Mountain Division
Air Force
Colorado st
Wyoming
New Mexico
Utep
Texas San Antonio
Southern Division
Southern Miss
Rice
UAB
Tulane
Tulsa
La Tec
Eastern Division
East Carolina
Marshall
Temple
Florida Int.- they bring Miami
Toledo – Rising football program
Middle Tennessee – They bring Nashville
This would work great
Pacific Division
Nevada
Fresno st
Hawaii
Utah st
San Jose st
UNLV
Mountain Division
Air Force
Colorado st
Wyoming
New Mexico
Utep
Texas San Antonio
Southern Division
Southern Miss
Tulsa
Rice
Tulane
UAB
La Tec
Eastern Division
Marshall
East Carolina
Temple
Florida Int – brings Miami
Middle Tennessee – brings Nashville
Toledo – football program on the rise
20 should be the max for now.
PACIFIC
unlv, fresno st, nevada, utah st, hawaii
MOUNTAIN
wyoming, unm, air force, col st, utep
CENTRAL
tulsa, rice, tulane, utsa, north texas
EAST
uab, southern miss, ecu, marshall, fiu.
by el javi on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 AM PST via Android app reply actions

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