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Utah State, New Mexico State, FIU Could Be Added To MWC, C-USA Merger

The Mountain West and Conference USA merger is moving forward, and now the new league is looking at adding more teams to get to the 18-24 teams that were mentioned in the press release. According to the UTEP student newspaper The Prospector New Mexico State, Utah State and Florida International are being considered:

[UTEP AD Diana] Natalicio said the additional schools to comprise the 18-24-team conference have not been discussed but she said that Utah State (currently in the WAC) and Florida International (Sun Belt) have been discussed. UTEP Athletic Director also said that NMSU (WAC) is also on their list of possible candidates.

Not that geography really matters, so why not go after some teams that have not been good in football in a very long time, or really ever. New Mexico State is barely better than New Mexico, but I guess Florida International and Utah State are all right since the two schools look to be heading in the right direction since they both made bowl games this year.

Look for a lot of rumors and speculation to be reported about who could be new additions, and each time be disappointment since any team that is going to be considered will not make anyone excited.

Also in that article, Natalicio mentions that the new league is looking to have four divisions, something similar to the old-WAC which UTEP is very familiar with.

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Ah, the possibilities

I think Temple should be pursued strongly. Right now, they are a football-only member of the MAC and a other-sports member of the Atlantic 10 (which has 14 teams btw). A presence in Philly would certainly be a good thing.

Utah State also makes sense to me (one of the greatest basketball home-courts I’ve ever seen). I presume FIU is under consideration to get back a presence in Floria (which is sensible). Don’t know whether FIU or FAU would be the better choice.

I’m not sure how NMSU actually helps. I’d think San Jose State would make more sense … getting another California team would presumably add to the attractiveness of the league (for TV contracts).

Also I think it’s at least worth considering UMass (like Temple, a football-only MAC and other-sport A-10 member). Yeah, it spreads the league out even more than it already is. But … there are plenty of folks in Massachusetts, and another presence in the northeast could help with media coverage.

One thing I’m curious about is whether or not the league will try to get one western non-football school to balance out Hawaii. The first three options that come to mind are Seattle, Denver, and Cal State Bakersfield. CSB is an indy right now. Seattle and Denver are both WAC members. CSB wants to get into the Big West, and Seattle probably wants to get into the WCC.

Who knows …

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by mdak06 on Feb 14, 2012 6:15 AM PST reply actions  

Teams

I really don’t see how NMSU would be added over SJSU. NMSU brings nothing at all to the table. They bring no market, no real program, nothing.

Their football team isn’t “barely better than New Mexico.” The last couple years (arguably the worst in UNM history) they have been barely better. But overall, UNM is far better than NMSU.

SJSU would bring a better TV market, even though they probably don’t have a huge presence in their area.

USU would be a good addition too. It would bring back a small part of the Utah market we lost. Their football team has shown promise and their basketball team is usually competative.

These are really the only options when looking at football playing schools in the west. I’m sure some Sun Belt and maybe MAC teams will be evaluated for membership too.

by JPCWBYS on Feb 14, 2012 6:39 AM PST reply actions  

From a business standpoint

The choice of NMSU is extremely curious as there is already one athletically poor performing (football) university in the state, and NMSU is not a basketball powerhouse either. USU pulls Utah back in, and is an effort to reconnect with alumni in Salt Lake City. Utah is a state lost, that needs to be regained. SJSU is needed to balance the loss of SDSU in the most populous state in the country, enough said. To counter act BSU leaving, and if we are going after poor performing teams, then we might as well add Idaho. More coverage is preferable at this point, we will already have the TV sets in NM. Retaining a whole state, like regaining Utah, is essential and preferential to going after the lesser part of a state we already have. The last team should probably come out of Texas. UNT/TSU/UTSA. Texas is the third most populous state in the nation (after New York) and is needed for recruiting, in whatever capacity. If the western half of the alliance decides to allow the eastern half to go after the texas teams to counteract the loss of Houston and SMU (despite the MW’s loss of TCU), then NMSU makes sense for the MW half. If the Alliance is 24 teams, more likely 20 at this point, then look for:

USU, SJSU, Idaho, NMSU (that is making a HUGE assumption that C-USA will get Texas teams, otherwise drop the bottom two and plug in Texas teams mentioned above)

Temple, FIU (40,500 students and $138 million endowment), LA Tech, Texas Team. If Temple says no, add more Texas teams and possibly FAU.

There have to be more in the pipeline, because there is still poaching angst. At 24, any poaching still requires the alliance to backfill its areas, in order to have the semifinals mentioned in the articles. This also precludes any movement by UTEP, from east to west.

by jitmon on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

and...

It will also be interesting to see what these teams can do with decent athletic budgets. Please do not discount the huge bump in pay that a move from the WAC or Sun Belt would entail. What can these teams do with the extra money? Maybe attain or retain better coaching staffs? Maybe increase/improve facilities? The WAC teams are recruiting on a level consistent with many MW teams already, once you take the BE teams out of the mix.

by jitmon on Feb 14, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

huge pay upgrade?

Seriously?

Look lets assume that you keep the current per school payout on the TV rights and that is a huge assumption with the dead wood you’re adding. You’re losing Boise, TCU, Houston, UCF and adding smaller markets and less successful teams.

Ok so WKU joins and now is getting 1.3 million in TV revenue… Versus what WKU Gets now (about 150K)

One million dollars more to give you an idea of what that really means

Well one million is what most mid majors get to go play a one and done at a big boys site (UB is getting 1 million each for their games against Tenn, Georgia, and OSU)

Its would represent about a 3% boost in the budget of WKU athletics. 3% spending is not what is keeping the Belt Down, its age is what has been keeping it down and that is quickly changing. Core MAC schools (not FB Only) and Sun Belt Schools are really better off where they are.

by Tim Riordan on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Payouts

WAC teams now get $400,000. MW get $1.5 or so. The idea is that the execs want more potential coverage than what is currently )or very soon) available. There is talk of a minimum jump to $3 million per team at 24. The C-USA, which has a smaller footprint than the combined MW / C-USA was getting $42 million for only 20 games. There are reports that they could average around $5 – 7 million for the contracts. Rumor has it, Tiers 1 & 2 with competing networks and sell left overs to ESPN for fill coverage and using the Mtn. Redux for extras and olympic sports. Simple question: why give up a guaranteed $5 million if there aren’t higher projections? If 24 is what the networks want and will pay for: You go get the teams. BTW: who do you think is really picking the teams in that scenario? There were already whispers when the ACC expanded, that it was the world-wide leader in sports that called the shots. When the ACC expanded, it got an extra $1 – 2 million per team.

In an academic scenario, at the lower averaging schools (Sun Belt, WAC many MW schools on up) the students pay athletic fees to make up the difference between what the TV money is and what the need is. University presidents are under TREMENDOUS pressure to stop sports subsidies through student fees. Sure, the students get free tickets, but to and for what? At UF, there is a lottery to see who is even ALLOWED to buy tickets. When I was a student there I got my 6 home games for $36. At CSU, for example, the students all pay around $50 – $100 athletic fee, whether they want to or not.

These “deadwood” teams are already on most MW teams’ schedules. They have been for years and aren’t going away. If the network says get deadwood state and we will pay you more, the president says: yes, that will get the academics off of my back, because I can lower the sports subsidies. SJSU has a big rivalry with Fresno State. Keep it, make it a conference game. The advertising, merchandise, apparel sales at these games are way higher and should be averaged into sports’ budgets, but mostly aren’t.

In the end, to get to a 12/12 (MW side), you have to add someone. You add someone in an area who at least gets you potential TV sets (even if they are turned off – new area is new area). Even if they only fill out the divisions to allow for a conference championship game, you still win. From a provost’s point of view, hard money contracts with TV ALWAYS beat soft money scheduling options: they are guaranteed. $1.5 million TV contract for WKU, which is probably too low, and $1 million for an ass whooping in Knoxville: $2,500,00 million with contract > $1,150,000 without. Contract wins.

As states restrict funding to higher education you will see, in direct proportion, the need for more hard money revenue streams. If you think CSU’s stadium is just for fans to enjoy the game better: guess again. The AD is already talking about an Apple store and a Starbucks in it. These “deadwood” candidates are needed to bolster in-conference wins for the big boys, more merch/apparel sales, advertising and for a championship game. The WAC / SunBelt teams need the hard money to get academics to quit poking holes in their budget ideas. Win/Win.

What keeps these teams down is access: Access to revenue for exposure, facilities, coaching and administrative positions. If the Mtn. keeps recruits from seeing the teams play and being able to show people where they want to play… they don’t go. (Other than those departing for the BE, how did we all do? Many in the 100’s!) No hard currency accounting measures (debits vs liabilities) means no expenditures on facilities. Coaches salaries suffer. Scheduling options don’t offer that… they are not budgeted the same way in the previous fiscal year, because there is no repeating contract like a home and home, TV or conference affiliation. They are debits to be sure, but they don’t hold the weight solid things do. Think like a Vice President (Provost), who has competing interests at a university. He tells the president what is fiscally secure, on a reoccurring basis, and the president acts accordingly.

by jitmon on Feb 15, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Right two conferences worth 1.5 million per team

lose all their best members and markets and together they are worth 4.5 million per team..

Better take FIU into the LBC, they have some land in Florida to sell you..

by Tim Riordan on Feb 16, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

More available games

Sell to competing companies, not locked into one. More contracts selling more games on more nights…

by jitmon on Feb 16, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol come on guys...

Its a UTEP paper, from El Paso, which has a rivalry with NMSU, I don’t put any stock in this report, maybe this is who UTEP’s AD wants to add but as we are all pointing out SJSU would be a better addition or even Idaho, and the TX schools aren’t to shabby either…

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by TowerPower on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

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