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Memphis, Boise State, Louisville: The Poaching continues

So what do we in the Mountain West really know at this point? We know that Memphis was taken from the alliance as a full member of the Big East, and that a settlement has been reached for WVU to leave the Big East, so that it can join the Big XII. And there have been rumors that Britton Banowsky and C-USA have reached out to Temple to gauge interest in joining the formerly 12 team league, which is now down to eight total teams.

What isn't known yet is whether the Boise St. Broncos will jump ship from the MW conference in order to become football only members in the Big East for the 2012 season. What is also still in question, is whether or not Louisville will be extended an invitation to the Big XII conference, bringing the total of teams to 11.

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There has been plenty of speculation that the Big XII did not want to expand, and was quite content to stay at 10 teams for the foreseeable future. According to an article by Matt Hayes in the Sporting News, this has been merely a smoke screen:

Eventually, the Big 12 will move beyond 10 teams and add Louisville. A BCS source close to the situation told Sporting News the Big 12 is waiting for West Virginia’s lawsuit with the Big East to be resolved before moving forward. Despite the Big 12’s public comments, it doesn’t want to be the only major conference without a championship game—and doesn’t want to go much longer without the benefit of revenue the game brings.

"That money," a BCS source said, "is too tempting to ignore."

Yet even if the Big 12 stands firm, the damage has been done to the rest of college football. The latest moves have opened the door for all to play—yet drawn a clear line across the landscape.

How reliable is this information? Does the Big East know more than it told Banowski, according to Andy Katz, about membership changes on Feb. 8:

On Wednesday, Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said he's not expecting to lose any more schools to the Big East.

"Based upon my conversations with commissioner (John) Marinatto, the Big East has now completed its future membership plan. If this is true, it is very helpful as we can now move forward with our plans in a more stable national environment," he said. "We hope that the other conferences appreciate the value of stability in intercollegiate athletics and higher education."

If, as the Matt Hayes article suggests, the Big XII does indeed plan to get to enough teams to get to a championship game (12) and Louisville is the planned number 11, who is number 12? The short list is probably Cincinnati, BYU, and AFA. If Cincy is indeed number 12, how does the Big East react? How does that reaction affect the MW? To put it plainly, if Cincy is plucked from the Big East, which MW/C-USA team is the next to go? The Mountain West cannot find a quality replacement for the Air Force academy. Which C-USA teams would be adequate replacements for Cincinnati, Southern Miss and East Carolina? East Carolina has had an application in for several years it seems. Temple is unlikely, because Villanova doesn't want a second Philly team in the conference.

These reductions stand to further weaken the MW and C-USA alliance, or an individual conference, to such an extent that the alliance would have little, if any, power to compete with the larger six BCS conferences. Hayes suggests that this process is what is delineating the 6 BCS conferences from the others. Too much more poaching, and the MW / C-USA will be looking at increasing irrelevance.

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What does common sense suggest?

As you wrote, the probability is high that the Big-12 wants the number of teams in their league to match their name. I wouldn’t doubt if #12 is NOT byu, then another BE team like Cincy will be poached.

If that happens – open hunting season once again on the MWC or Conf USA sitting ducks, I mean members.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 10, 2012 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I agree with you completely. Cincy / Louisville pairing looks logical and makes sense for both football and basketball reasons. It also gets WVU off its little island. Just taking this all a step further: Do you think the Big XII will go 14 – 16 eventually to match the SEC and ACC? I think it makes sense to pre-empt any and all possibilities with a larger league. The MW cannot survive, in my opinion, by constantly getting to a minimum number of schools and trying to hang on. If Cincy / Louisville pairing does happen, I am looking at ECU and AFA to get pulled in as replacements. That puts a fork in the alliance.

by jitmon on Feb 10, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Larry Scott

I think this guy has a better perspective on how large the leagues will eventually be. (he is saying 16 team league is ideal).

However, recent events seems to suggest otherwise. Splitting into 2 divisions is creating some problems like cross division rivalries that can no longer be maintained.

Therefore while I think going to 12 team leagues is a no brainer and because of precedent with so many conferences now doing it (keeping up with the Jones), going to 14 team and 16 teams probably will take longer to gain acceptance and traction.

As for how the MWC can protect itself and to prevent itself from being at the mercy of poachers, I don’t have a solution on how to increase TV revenue, which I believe is the key.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 10, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Numbers

In a 16 team league, split into two divisions, there are 7 divisional games. The ACC is making a 9 game schedule, so that means 3 cross divisional games for them. It would be 2 for the MW in it had 16. Don’t forget, there would also be the chance to meet in a championship game. There is also talk now about going to 13 game schedules and 7 wins is minimum to make it into a bowl game. That means there would be another cross divisional game or an OOC left.

The problem with TV contracts and exposure is finding your niche. The Thursday night games were something that most WAC/MW teams built bigger reputations on. With the Mtn., that is gone. Mr. Thomspon does not want the MW to participate in such frivolity. He also does not want MW teams to schedule BYU. The MW needs to do what ever a mid-major can do to generate funds and visibility for its teams in a competitive market: You kill the competition you can kill (take all WAC teams, TV contracts, Bowl tie-ins), you create a niche (claim ESPN Tuesday – Friday night MW exclusive game nights) and have enough product to supply the demand (games every night of the week requires more ammo) and you receive revenue based on availability of that product. Oh, and you schedule BYU again.

by jitmon on Feb 10, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

My guess

Big 12 takes Louisville and stops (for now), Big East puts the full court press on Air Force who joins as the 4th football only member keeping the BE’s precious 8fb/8nonfb balance, and if the alliance continues on UTEP will slide over to the MWC side while Temple (best available non AQ school not named BYU) joins the CUSA side.

Then in a year or so after the dust settles, the Big 12 either sorts out issues with BYU and everyone stands pat, or they poach Cinncy (or possibly Rutgers) and the BE grabs ECU (or Temple) and CUSA reloads with LA Tech (or UNT)

"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011

by TowerPower on Feb 10, 2012 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Air Force has already stated that

they will not join the Big 12. Can’t compete for recruits (makes sense since your average BCS player won’t make weight in the armed services). Air Force would definitely consider the Big East though given all the recent defections and instability of the Mountain West/C-USA and with Navy joining in the future. The problem is that once Air Force goes there are no significant media markets in the MWC/C-USA thereby killing any real shot they have at competing.

by Jesterrace on Feb 10, 2012 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

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