Navy, the Big East and the "giant sucking sound"
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Some of us are old enough to remember the presidential election of 1992. Instead of only having the usual milk toast, two party candidates, the US voter was treated to a third party candidate, who actually got enough votes to put a scare into the establishment: Ross Perot. One of Ross Perot's most famous quips was about jobs leaving the US for Mexico, as NAFTA was being discussed... he called it the "giant sucking sound" of jobs being outsourced south of the border.
Fast forward to the present day to Jeremy Mauss' article in the Mountain West Connection, in regard to the expected announcement of Navy's imminent inclusion in the Big East as a football only member. For the Big East, this is a solid addition, one that keeps it's non-football members happy and one that pulls a military, academic institution into it's ranks.
What the members of the MW are beginning to hear is becoming all too familiar: Ross Perot's giant sucking sound. It is the sound of yet another team, as Jeremy Mauss astutely pointed out, being sucked out of the MW, further depleting its membership and lowering it's quality of left-over teams. Air Force, which had previously spurned the advances of the Big East, now has a familiar dancing partner set to join in 2015. With the departure of WVU to the Big XII, the Big East is at only 11 "permanent" football members and the Air Force Academy would be a great match with Navy. The inclusion of AF into the Big East would also give the western teams another travel partner, closer than going all the way to Storrs or New Brunswick. Additionally, if the Big East sticks with an 8 game conference schedule, then AD Hans Mueh could potentially schedule CSU and Wyoming out of conference.
Is that the last time that the member institutions of the Mountain West will hear the dreaded giant sucking sound? It is unlikely, as there is at least one more institution looking around at greener pastures. Why isn't the MW working harder and more transparently to confront these issues? How would/will the alliance keep this from happening, as it has done absolutely nothing to stave off the five previous defections (SMU, Houston, UCF, BSU and SDSU)?
With this latest potential defection, the Mountain West becomes an even less attractive partner for the C-USA. Commissioner Thompson looks more ineffective with every loss. There is, by the way, a petition to fire CT, for those interested. The petition cites that it is CT's negotiation of a contract with CBS Sports, that has killed the MW, which is partially true. Looking at the numbers of AQ conferences vs Non-AQ and the contracts offered by TV networks, what becomes clear is that there are very separate dynamics, which are driving university brand sales, recognition and overall marketshare.
AQ conferences, with bigger name institutions, can draw from a larger fan bases with fewer schools. That is because these marquis brands transcend regular borders and have increased marketshare based on factors other than alumni status and proximity. Case in point, The University of Texas has great numbers of fans who live in Arkansas, Oklahoma and around the country, even if these fans are not alumni or from the Austin area. How does a university, such as New Mexico, Wyoming or Nevada compare? In short... they don't. Yet the MW alone or the MW/C-USA alliance are using an economic model for success based on the ideas of Chuck Neinas, who is said to be coaching CT and BB.
For the Mountain West conference to be able to get a real TV contract, Craig Thompson has to begin to handle more directly, forcefully, intelligently and more transparently. The Mountain West conference is partially in the back yard of two pit bulls: the Pac 12 and the Big XII. How does a mid major increase marketshare and market penetration with these two behemoths jealously guarding their territories? The Mountain West will not be able to get any heavy hitters, so it has to go for more, smaller markets to make up for the lack of size of each one. That is all that is available. By not moving to secure more markets in a timely fashion (the time actually passed), Commissioner Thompson has almost assured the MW of shrinking market share and shrinking membership. The MW cannot afford to follow in the model of a Big XII or Pac 12, or it will continue to hemorrhage members to conferences, which can.
The C-USA is not in as bad of a position as the MW, from a membership standpoint, as it isn't losing its champion, yet. The C-USA also has a better set of potential additions, than what is available to the MW. While the alliance has been an intriguing idea since its inception, it is working against sound principal: Why should someone on the west coast be interested in watching a team on the east coast, if there is only a slight chance the two will meet in a championship game, in a very arbitrary conference connection, at a future date? Would a MW fan sit down and care to watch, for example, an ECU vs. Southern Miss game? The same is true when viewed from an east coast perspective: would a C-USA fan care to watch Fresno State vs. CSU? The answer is really plain. These games are only going to be viewed by institutional fans (regional support) or if there is no other game on (Wednesday or Thursday nights). If Texas/Oklahoma is on, there will be very little national viewership for a MW/C-USA game.
The answer is, then, to create more regional support, in more, new markets and to make a TV deal for the MW, that will allow for some visibility and increased funding for all member institutions. As things stand, what reason would ESPN (if ESPN, there is a small chance to grant BYU LHN-like rights and a conference slot) have for purchasing the rights to an eight team, second tier conference? Eight teams, spread out over very large distances, with no marquis teams left (Seven if AF leaves and counting). The TV markets are too far apart and not fully saturated (Denver, Salt Lake, etc). Why should ESPN spend the money to buy out CBS Sports for such small market share?
In order to add stability, to increase marketshare and to add an incentive for a new TV contract, the MW needs to offer a more attractive package to a network provider. At present, the eight team league MW (10 for one year), with no big city markets, played 7 conference games in 2011 and had an overall winner without a championship game. The MW, with 16 permanent members, in two divisions, would also play seven conference games and 1 championship game. Having more teams in the general footprint of the present conference would help"fill it in" and generate more viewership. The problem is that in going from an eight team league to a 16 team league, the commissioner would have to be able to sell a network on a league that in essence doesn't yet exist, otherwise the Mtn.'s inability to raise enough money to pay each member would be potentially decrease revenues by 1/2.
The candidates for expansion have been debated endlessly, on this site and others. At this point, if CT and his cronies do not solve this problem now, there might not be much to solve in the future. If AF stays in the conference, which is 50/50 at present, then the MW needs eight teams to become/stay relevant and have a package to sell to a network. The MW must be willing to make concessions and play some Wednesday and Thursday night games, only after a bye. Could "the Hair" sell ESPN on an ESPN West and an ESPN East, like it's parent company Disney Corporation has? If AF does indeed follow Navy to the Big East, then having 15 remaining teams adds a great deal of stability, which is currently not present. 1/8 is a more severe blow than 1/16. If another team were to leave with the Air Force Academy (yes there are rumors swirling around), that would leave only 6 teams, and the conference becomes unviable, meaning teams would have to be added just to get to minimum participation levels according NCAA rules. The question for CT, the member institutions and the fans: why let it get that bad? Why not be proactive for once? If the ACC and SEC are at 14, rumored to be headed to 16, why wait around for the Big XII model to work itself out? How did that help OK St. this year? Follow the lead dogs, not the others: they are the competition.
So, do you agree with 16 teams in order to have a package to sell to a provider, given the teams the MW has to work with? Do you believe that a national model, vs a regional model would work better (C-USA/MW alliance)? Will AF leave the MW and push this agenda forward? Would you prefer an 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, or more, team single conference model, Why (Alliance currently has 17)? Does the MW have viability to go it alone? If you are for expansion, what teams do you think the MW needs to invite and why? Here's probably what's left (North / South Preferred):
North:
AF, CSU, Idaho, Wyoming, Fresno State, San Jose State, Utah State, Nevada
South:
North Texas, La Tech, UTEP, Texas State, Hawaii/DU, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico State
Or
East:
AF, CSU, UNLV, North Texas, La Tech, UTEP, Wyoming, Texas State
West:
Hawaii/DU, Fresno State, San Jose State, Nevada, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico, New Mexico State
What to do if the MW loses AF, or more? Pray? Montana and Montana State would be about all that would potentially be available. The idea of having DU fill in for Hawaii, in other sports, helps with market saturation in the Denver area and the institutions has excellent academics. Texas schools, other than UTEP, added for recruiting purposes and for markets. The MW would be the only conference with viable teams in both California and Texas markets, a potential selling point.
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Here we go again!!
I’ve only posted a few times over the past year and most of those have been rants regarding the incompetence of CT to keep the MWC a viable entity. What in the heck are they paying this clown for? He doesn’t seem to be fighting for the conference. Maybe I’m missing something?
All I know is that once BSU and SDSU dropped their MWC t-shirts at the door, CT should have announced he was going to aggressively recruit their replacements (whether this was lip service or not). He could have let MWC fans know he was on the job.
If this ball bag doesn’t do something grand (I don’t like the alliance thing) in the near future, we can kiss the MWC good-bye.
I prefer a merger with the WAC over a MWC/C-USA merger/alliance/monster. No reason to have more than 12-14 teams in a conference; gives you a champoinship game and a good conference schedule.
Why no UTSA?
BTW AFA is gone and LA Tech has no market and they along with UNT are top targets for and would rather join CUSA w/ Memphis, Tulane, So Miss, Rice, and Tulsa…
Southwest- UTSA, TX St, UTEP, NM, NMSU, CSU, WY
Pacific West-Utah St, Idaho, UNR, UNLV, SJSU, Fresno, Hawaii
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
by TowerPower on Jan 25, 2012 12:51 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I can see that...
I hear what you are saying and I think, sooner or later there will be two defections total, with AFA. La Tech is the WAC champ and does have a good fan base. More importantly, it would bring another state into the package to sell to a network (I am trying to think like a network exec.). It is a good idea to have a replacement for AFA and UT-SA is not a bad choice. I proposed the Montana schools, simply because my model has three Texas schools already. There is also talk of the C-USA staying where it is, with 9 -10, which I think is also idiotic, because it will get raided again. It looks like you prefer a 14 team model, even though the SEC and ACC are rumored to be going to 16. I think we need more to sell, forget BCS strength, as it will be gone. What can we sell to a Network? Is it more territory, as our teams grow weaker with each raid, or building up porter teams into regional powers?
I like LA Tech...
My uncle played QB for them in the 70’s, and yes they have Terry Bradshaw to point at but it’s very VERY small, and people who point to Shreveport don’t know Shreveport…
UTEP while in Texas is really just wrapping up New Mexico/El Paso, Central Texas only really has UT in Austin, TX St would help get some support but UTSA would be huge, San Antonio has been trying to get baseball and football teams for years, and UTSA sold 50,000 seats to its first ever game this year versus Northwestern LA St. It really would be much smarter to take them over TX St but TX St is stronger on the feild…
"We are who we are. People say what they say. The outcome is the outcome. We are proud of ourselves." -DeLoss Dodds 9/21/2011
by TowerPower on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Regional oriented
What ever the conference does, I think it needs to maintain a regional presence. Forget the MWC/CUSA merger. Having a “coast to coast” conference isn’t going to work. The Big East will find that out in a few years. We are between the PAC12 and Big XII. We need to keep a strong regional alliance.
Combine the MWC and WAC. That is probably best for both conferences. CUSA is a stepping stone for the Big East and while the MWC may be stepping stone for other conferences, a WAC merger is a better option. Hell, call it the Western Conference. No “Athletic” or “Mountain”. Just Western Conference.
Well, that’s my second 2-cents worth. BTW, I like Tower’s line up this new conference.
by drodriguez2112 on Jan 25, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if CUSA+ will work
… but it’s not really a coast-to-coast conference. That’s just for football.
If you figure on UConn, Louisville, and the non-football schools leaving in the next few years (and if there’s any logic in the world, the non-football schools taking the Big East name with them), you’re basically left with something with a footprint very similar to CUSA (not surprising, because almost everyone will have come from there).
Not a merger
with the WAC, but pretty much putting it out of its misery. We don’t want to have anything to do with Benson, although how much better is Thompson? If you look at the teams listed above, it is pretty much a merger of the WAC and the MW, just under our name and leadership, rather than dealing with all of the personnel from the WAC conference.

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