Local Support Group, Colorado State Professor Oppose On-Campus Stadium
This is not a shocker at all, but there is a group of academia types that feel that building a brand new on-campus stadium for the Colorado St. Rams is not worth it. The stadium is expected to cost between $100 - $200 million all from privately and not cost the taxpayers or students any of their money.
Even with that a group called Save Our Stadium, Hughes is holding a public forum on Jan. 25 to argue that Colorado State is moving too quickly to get rid of Hughes Stadium in favor of the new proposed on-campus stadium. Group spokesman Bob Vangermeersch is saying that schools are placing athletics above education, and wants to "inject sanity into the plans."
CSU professor Deborah Shulman called football "little more than expensive entertainment" and said the university would be better served getting private donors to support academics. Shulman also sent a letter to the Coloradoan voicing her position:
"We are told the CSU administration will raise the millions needed to build the stadium from private donations. If they can spend the vast amounts of time, energy and money required to chase a limited number of big donors, why can't they make the same effort for academics?" Shulman asked in her letter. "CSU should build its national reputation and attract students and alumni donors by investing in its educational and research missions. It could try much harder to find alternatives to state funding that would restore and expand the scientific research, artistic accomplishment and teaching programs that already make CSU an enormous asset for the whole region. CSU could start by investing in the people who make all of this happen. Instead, they want a stadium on campus."
That is all good and well and really should be done to improve the academics of their school, but weighing the exposure of a great education towards the exposure of a winning football program is not even close. A school can pump in $50 million a year from various donors toward educational programs but the exposure from that would take years to see a benefit from prospective students. Not a lot of high school students read those top 100 schools lists in magazines to look at the jump a school has made or where schools rank to make their choice.
However, it is a proven fact that the better a school does in a sport the more attention and money it receives. Butler, VCU and Belmont all received more visits and applicants after performing well in the NCAA tournament:
Butler reported a 41 percent rise in admissions applications and a 35 percent rise in visits in the year after its first national title game appearance. Visits to the VCU undergraduate admissions site nearly tripled the Sunday the Rams beat Kansas last March to advance to their first-ever Final Four. Heck, even Belmont points to its one-point first-round NCAA tournament loss to Duke in 2008 as the biggest reason the school received more than 3,000 applications for fall enrollment that year.
Applications cost money so the school does get money toward the education side of things and the more people they get to visit the school is a chance to show off their academic facilities. It is not the same as getting $100 million toward the chemistry or biology lab, but without football which supports all other sports there would be less people at this university to teach.
Also, the main fact is that alumni spend money on hats, shirts, jerseys or whatever type of memorabilia because their schools succeeds in sports. They are not many alumni buying a Colorado State shirt because a professor won an award, so that is the difference in going hard for donations towards athletics versus academics.
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Professors Disagree
My name is also Hughes and I happen to be an associate professor at CSU. I have publicly disagreed with Shulman and others about the benefits of an on campus stadium in the Coloradoan. Most of us are quite excited about Graham’s energy and enthusiasm, bringing in a big name coach and daring to dream big. I have argued the numbers with her, shown her the facts and figures and she still sees it a different way. It seems you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. While all of this seems disheartening, I believe that Graham and his supporters will prevail. In the end, the nay-sayers will walk by the stadium, see the energy and excitement of the people there, look at the addition to the campus and realize: Jack Graham was right.
What does Shulman think about the Campaign for Colorado State?
All of these “academics are being left behind” arguments are ringing pretty hollow considering CSU just raised half a billion dollars through the Campaign, which is more than double what they are proposing to spend on the stadium. Not to mention all of the dorm improvements, new engineering building, LSC renovation, Morgan renovation/expansion, business school expansion, new computer science and behavioral science buildings and everything else going on around this campus. How can they say academics are now playing second fiddle to sports with a straight face? 90% of the construction on campus over the last 5 years has been academically oriented! The only major project I can think of is the IPF, and MAYBE the Rec Center, though I consider that part of student well-being which in my mind is part of the academic experience here at CSU.
I am a current student and could not find Shulman in the CSU directory, what department is she in? I figured it was someone claiming to be a professor to make their opinion carry more weight, and the Coloradoan did not do their homework. Anyways, glad to hear there are professors who share President Frank’s long term vision for the school.
Gentlemen, you cant fight in here! This is the war room!
MG
Here is my CSU spot, so you know I am not just playing the part on-line:
http://central.colostate.edu/people/jthughes/
I don’t know her either, but I am trying to get students and professors to back Frank and Graham. Your statements are spot on and I would encourage you to look in the coloradoan and express your opinions against mountain poppies and Deb Shulman (her picture is there by her comments). I have been trying to point out how the stadium can benefit CSU for weeks, by answering their statements in the paper. Unfortunately, they have generated many supporters. We can’t let them de-rail this project. It all started when they complained about McElwain’s salary. I haven’t gotten a raise for three years, but i am not comparing what i do for CSU’s visibility to the football coach. I think their logic is flawed. Please speak up and make yourself heard! Please encourage other students to do the same!
Glad you are speaking up Professor Hughes, thank you.
I have been responding in some of the Coloradoan comment sections. I am doing my utmost to keep it only to the facts, despite some there who seem to think only permanent Fort Collins residents should have a voice in this. I will continue to respond to their criticism, as I think much of it is not based on fact. Somehow they have gotten it into their heads that this project will not go through a vetting process, that it is already a done deal and Graham is going to do whatever he pleases. This is incorrect. I have no doubt this will be done the right way or not at all.
This stadium needs to happen, or we risk letting CSU wallow in athletic obscurity for years to come. I will keep spreading the word.
Gentlemen, you cant fight in here! This is the war room!
This happens everywhere
Same thing happened and is still happening in Rutgers for example after they increased their athletic budget. Heck you see it in places like Michigan, with its massive athletic budget, when it expanded and added men’s and women’s lacrosse. There was some talk in Ann Arbor on how that money could be better spent on academics or the medical campus. You can respect where these professors are coming from… But that’s as far as it goes for me. Unfortunately most the anti-athletic professors don’t understand, or don’t care to understand, that the money coming into the athletic office is targeted for athletic expansion and no expansion no money. As long as the athletic department continues to not be a financial drain on the true academic purpose of the school than these professors doesn’t have much credence. I doubt if the equine center or engineering labs found a benefactor to contribute millions these professors would say much. This is not a specific debate about Hughes or a new stadium… It is a debate on if the school should be involved in athletics at all. Have a buddy who is a UCSD grad and is against them moving up from DII to DI all because his concern over too much influence by the athletic department.
Graham has completely changed the outlook for CSU athletics and students have taken notice. Student pride was getting dangerously low before Frank did the right thing and hired someone who could change that for the better. I understand the problem the professor thinks will arise, but its not as if CSU has been pumping money into athletics for years and neglecting academics. Thats just not the case.
In high school when my classmates were choosing where to go, one of the common arguements to go to CU was the school pride. CSU doesnt have the identity CU has. Bring in a good football team and continue to improve the basketball team and that all changes. CSU starts attracting more in-state kids and gets national attention. People dont chose between CU and CSU based on academics, my friends who wanted the prestigious in-state school went to Mines. CO kids want to be part of an identifiable school beaming with pride. Graham has already made huge leaps in that area.
Go new stadium!
I’m putting here for reflection later on in the season…. #14 Tomas [Fleischmann] is getting a 40G season. FLASH COUNT: 15G/19A
by RPC on Sep 17, 2011 5:20 PM MDT
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by Chris S Roberts on Jan 11, 2012 12:35 PM PST reply actions
Facebook movement for a New Stadium
It looks like many of you feel like I do and whole-heartedly support a new stadium.
There is a Facebook movement I found today to show support and you can like it. It finds articles that you can then go and make comments on.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-CSUs-New-On-Campus-Stadium/272789946115489
Sure it might be nice for the professor to have another 100-200 mill in the academic pool but the question is how would that money be raised? Calling up the big time donors and saying you want to build a football stadium nets an entirely different reaction than saying you want a new physics wing. I’m sure that there will still be some response, but alumni are passionate about sports, they want to see their alma maters do well to have boasting rights over their friends and a reason to look forward to homecoming. Get the stands full and a good team on the field and you’ll find your alums looking more kindly on the academic side as well.
http://www.frogsowar.com/

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