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Will The Ohio State NCAA Penalties Be Worse Then USC's?

The Sports Illustrated article about more Ohio State allegations came out Monday night which featured more players who received tattoos-for-memorabilia as well as other possible NCAA infractions:

SI learned that the memorabilia-for-tattoos violations actually stretched back to 2002, Tressel's second season at Ohio State, and involved at least 28 players -- 22 more than the university has acknowledged. Those numbers include, beyond the six suspended players, an additional nine current players as well as nine former players whose alleged wrongdoing might fall within the NCAA's four-year statute of limitations on violations.

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One of Tressel's duties then was to organize and run the Buckeyes' summer camp. Most of the young players who attended it would never play college football, but a few were top prospects whom Ohio State was recruiting. At the end of camp, attendees bought tickets to a raffle with prizes such as cleats and a jersey. According to his fellow assistant, Tressel rigged the raffle so that the elite prospects won -- a potential violation of NCAA rules. Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel." 

There is a bunch of other stuff in the article about other improprieties such as party room set up for Ohio State players who would be given whatever they wanted from food and drinks (not a big deal in my opinion but still a violation), but the big deal is that some players traded memorabilia-for-marijuana.

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Ohio State meets with the NCAA on Aug. 12 about these allegations and it will be interesting to see what the NCAA does in regards to penalizing Ohio State. All eyes will be on the NCAA since this is their biggest case since the USC scandal that saw the Trojans be placed on five years of probation where the Trojans will lose 30 scholarships over a three-year period, received a two-year bowl ban, vacating two wins from the 2004 season -- which include the BCS title -- as well as 12 wins from the 2005 season and they removed everything of Reggie Bush from USC, including his 2005 Heisman Trophy.

Now what will the NCAA do with Ohio State?

The USC involved one player in Reggie Bush whose parents received cash and a house. While the Ohio State situation involved over 20 players and possibly nine more players than the six that have been mentioned in earlier reports about Buckeyes who traded memorabilia for cash or tattoos. Those additional players mentioned fall into the four year statute of limitations for the NCAA to levy penalties against.  Then include the separate investigation against Terrell Pryor which in addition to getting discounted tattoos-for-memorabilia is being investigated about cars he borrowed or intended to buy from Columbus-area used-car salesman Aaron Kiffin. 

To me the USC situation is worse for what was involved, but the rampant "I don't know' from Jim Tressel shows a more wide-spread problem and when looking at the entire scope is worse because of the totality of the players involved. The situation was so well-known that students from Ohio State would go to the tattoo parlors looking to see if any football players were there to get autographs.

The penalties against USC were harsh, but has the NCAA painted themselves into a corner since the punishment against USC was so large?

I am no lawyer and do not pretend to know what the NCAA will do, but the 2010 season looks to be completely vacated -- assuming the NCAA goes with what they have done in the past. Beyond that, I am not sure what the NCAA will do. There is a possibility that the additional current players who were caught selling memorabilia could be suspended for five games to match what Terrell Pryor and the tat-five received prior to the Sugar Bowl.  

As for scholarship loses, bowl bans and amount of probation, to mee it seems that it will be at worse on par with what USC received since the Ohio State problem has shown to bee a constant problem. With Jim Tressel being fired, that could lead to a lesser penalty since the man in charge is no longer there. 

My assumption is that the penalties will be similar to USC's but a longer time frame due to the totality of the events that have been uncovered, so perhaps something like losing 10 scholarships per year for four or five years or maybe a less amount of scholarships over a longer period of time, a three- or four-year bowl ban while being on a probation period of five or more years.

So, what do you think will happen to Ohio State?

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In the name of accuracy

Reggie lost the 2005 Heisman and while USC lost two victories from 2004, it was really 2005 were they lost the wins from. Oh and Reggie’s family was never given a house, they were given deferred rent payments, in effect free housing for about a year. That said, I just don’t see how the NCAA can give tOSU much more than they did to USC. Honestly I would be surprise if they even give them that much.

by ev on May 31, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Does the Big Sister of the Poor deserve more? Yeah, probably. I really don’t think it will happen though, I think the ouster of Tressel will dampen the torchfires a bit, and there is no national championship to vacate, unless you really can go back to ’02. I think a one year postseason ban, a full season suspension for Pryor and 15 Scholarships lost over three years.

by HawkeyedFrog on May 31, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

ESPN video of Terrelle Pryor driving up in a new 350Z.

"From the end spring new beginnings." - Pliny the Elder

by daedalus17 on May 31, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Pryor has a long history of questionable conduct

Often making you wonder just that, is he stupid or arrogant. Remember when he said…“Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever. I think that people need a second chance, and I’ve always looked up to Mike Vick, and I always will.” – need I say more?

by ev on May 31, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The car had 30-day plates too

Picture of car with temporary plates.

Looks like the car issue has been ongoing.

Pryor was stopped three times for traffic violations over the past three years, each time driving cars that were owned by Kniffin or a Columbus used-car dealership where he worked, the Dispatch has reported. Kniffin, owner Jeff Mauk of Jack Maxton Chevrolet, Inc., and Jason Gross of Auto Direct Columbus, Inc., each provided affidavits to Ohio State officials earlier this month.

“If the OSU Compliance Department approved the transaction terms, the transaction would be finalized and the vehicle would be delivered to the customer,” Mauk said in his statement.

"From the end spring new beginnings." - Pliny the Elder

by daedalus17 on May 31, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fact tOSU compliance department is catching more heat

is amazing. Not only did they sign off and look the other way, but they are part of the cover up too.

by ev on May 31, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is why I think

Their penalty will be at least on parvwith USC.

by Jeremy Mauss on May 31, 2011 4:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

terrelle pryor is being investigated by the school and the ncaa.

Anderson Silva would never fight "Bones". He is too scared to fight the real P4P champion. Nick Diaz, the man who will prove to the MMA world that he is the best WW in the world. Still public enemy #1 and enjoying every minute of it.

by wolfmanshowlforever on May 31, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NCAA still has no justification for letting the kids play in the bowl game

All of this other stuff is shocking, but understandable in a way. Them letting the suspended kids play in the bowl game seems completely unforgivable in my mind. If it was any other school in a non-BSC bowl I guarantee those kids would be suspended immediately, but I guess the rules are different for some schools at the NCAAs discretion. Total BS if you ask me. Where is the committee that looks into violations by the NCAA itself?

by pack_fan on May 31, 2011 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

something tells me all those wins will be vacated.

Anderson Silva would never fight "Bones". He is too scared to fight the real P4P champion. Nick Diaz, the man who will prove to the MMA world that he is the best WW in the world. Still public enemy #1 and enjoying every minute of it.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 1, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

OSU should get a worse punishment than USC

but they won’t… USC did not cooperate with the NCAA and I think that is ultimately what hurt them in the end. If USC would have owned up to the Bush situation and helped the NCAA with their investigation instead of putting their fingers in their ears and acting like everything was on the up and up they would not have gotten nearly as sever of a punishment.

My guess is that Ohio State fires their President, AD and head of their compliance department, kicks Prior off the team and implements a self imposed one year bowl ban and the NCAA only gives them probation….

by Grey Suit on Jun 1, 2011 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

hmmm

Maybe. I do think the AD and President should be gone since they said they researched and said the original story in December was an isolated incident when it was not. If the school does that they might get less, but I think it will still be about the same to what USC gets.

by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 1, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's an urban myth that USC didn't cooperate

The NCAA finding never claimed that USC failed to cooperate, in fact the NCAA on a couple of occasions stated otherwise. The problem came from the fact USC, like the NCAA, couldn’t make Bush give up information since he was already out of school. Therefore in the early years, just that statement alone says a lot, it appeared that USC wasn’t cooperating since they weren’t handing over the information from Bush the NCAA was requesting.

by ev on Jun 1, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  


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