Conference Expansion: Big East Moving On From BYU, Says Hello To San Diego State
Looks like the demands that the BYU Cougars were implementing were unreasonable, so the Big East is not going to waste their time anymore and are moving on to the San Diego St. Aztecs to be a football-only member. My assumption is that San Diego State will ask where to sign once the invitation is extended.
Brett McMurphy is reporting that the Big East has passed on BYU and is moving on to San Diego State (emphasis mine):
The Cougars had been in discussions with the Big East for weeks about joining the league. In the earlier negotiations between BYU and the Big East, BYU did not have an issue with relinquishing its home television rights. That changed, however.
"They (BYU) are being extremely unreasonable all of a sudden," a source said Tuesday morning. "This is one reason why they did not get into the Big 12. Their general counsel (lawyers) is a piece of work."
With BYU out of the picture, the Big East will target San Diego State as a football-only member, a source said. The reason the Big East would seek out the Aztecs is because Boise State wants a Western partner before joining the league.
There is more proof that people dislike BYU, so add that to the list of Utah, Colorado State, Wyoming, UNLV, San Diego State and any other former conference member regarding BYU. BYU could have been playing hard ball to get a better offer, but the Big East is not dumb because they know that without being able to sell BYU to advertisers the conference television deal would be less money.
BYU wants to join a conference, but not really join a conference. So, they can toil in independence and pretend to be Notre Dame, and some will say I am being harsh since I am a Utah fan. But I can guarantee anyone here on this site would agree that BYU thinks they are bigger then they really are. BYU also did not like that Comcast/NBC would be involved in contract talks as a possible television partner. BYU is mad at Comcast because Comcast was a 50 percent partner in the Mtn, and there was supposedly a verbal agreement to reair games on BYUtv, but since it was not written down Comcast said no to rebroadcasts.
So, San Diego State get ready for those 9 a.m. local kickoffs for road games.
Really, is this a good move for San Diego State, because if the BCS goes away then San Diego State is in a far-flung league that is extremely desperate to maintain something that may no longer be in place. The money will be at least five times better, probably more, and games will likely be on an ESPN outlet or maybe Comcast or Fox to add more football programing.
However, this means basketball is probably heading to the Big West or maybe the West Coast Conference. The Big West will have 10 basketball members in 2011 once the Hawaii Warriors come aboard and 11 is an odd number for basketball. However, the West Coast Conference has nine basketball members and 10 would be ok.
My assumption is that San Diego State would say yes mainly because they have been selling their program to try to get a Big 12 invite.
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Wow, Jeremy, those were some harsh words
but can’t say I don’t agree with you about BYU. Boise State was looking forward to being in the same conference with those guys and that was all the talk up here even before we joined the MWC. But as much as I hate to say it, all this demanding by BYU and listening to what is coming out of the meetings now that the BE talks have failed, I think the BE will be better off without BYU whether the BE survives or not. What BYU was asking is not fair to the rest of the teams, and would increase their revenue at the expense of the TV contracts going forward, and in turn take money out of the pockets of their conference team mates. The resentment would fester and the bitterness would end up like Texas and the Big 12.
I feel sorry about the MWC because now they might lose SDSU who have made no secret they wanted out last year. But that opens up a slot for USU which I feel might deserve another chance. I would have to think that both Boise State and SDSU could both be putting their other sports in the BIg West as teams 11 and 12, then going to the BE as a package deal with Houston, SMU, and UCF.
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Sounds like BYU overplayed it’s hand based on the belief that they were so far above SDSU in brand worth that the Big East would agree to terms to ensure they were the team that joined Boise. I’m very pleased for the Aztecs who have quickly become my second favorite MWC team (and will be #1 after my Frogs head off). Go get ’em Aztecs!
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Big Zombie still twitching
So the marque name the Zombie is courting is SDSU… A team who’s claim to fame this year is they get to go to consecutive bowl games for the first time since the mid-60’s… And is expected to have a large drop off next year when Ryan Lindley graduates. Will someone please double-tap the BE so we can move on
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I was in a conversation with some BYU fan who said I was jealous of BYU just because I was talking about them.
On the contrary, I think BYU is full of themselves for thinking they could get what no other team has.
Also, others were saying because the BCS might change to not included AQ leagues that being independent will help them that way. That will not help because BYU will never get a bowl tie-in that is a great bowl, heck even Notre Dame need help with bowl alliance and those even are not great.
The last was the best that said BYU is not “any other team” because they are one of two teams to have their own tv contract.
I laughed at the last one quite a bit.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 22, 2011 8:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Your first two sentences...
sum it all up. They are full of themselves because they think you are jealous of them.
Better put BYU in their place, because there are three with exclusives, Army has an exclusive contract with CBS Sports. Just sayin’…
Is that person wrong?
Are you aware of any other university besides Texas that can air it’s own games on a national channel AND have a fat contract that they don’t have to share with any other school? Nopt sure where you were going with that one Mauss. Atta boy!
Your little bubble in SLC clearly lacks what BYU does provide and what they need to accomplish in these negotiations. First and foremost, BYU is the one being sought after. They are the ones that place the stip’s. If the Big East wants to agree GREAT! If they don’t then BYU has no problem being where it is.
Why is is that everyone is pissed at BYU for not agreeing to other leagues terms? They chose to go that route let them live how they want! If they don’t want to join a conference then so be it! It’s their choice! At least they didn’t have to bend over for some hippy liberals just to say “we belong!”
by vaughnzipper on Nov 24, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Texas
The Longhorns do not keep ALL of their tv rights for home games. BYU is just asking for something that is unrealistic. They want to retain all home rights and to not pay an exit fee if the Big East loses AQ status. No team in the country can demand those terms.
My thinking is that BYU never wanted to join the Big East or Big 12 unless somehow those leagues were desperate enough to add a quality name that they agreed to BYU’s terms.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 24, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Also
what does BYU belong to?
Oh, their guaranteed spot in the Armed Forces Bowl or Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Those are great things to belong to.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 24, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Seems to me ....
The Big East is “not dumb” (it’s hard to say the BE is “smart” about anything) for not allowing BYU to join the Big East under conditions that no other conference would ever agree to (a team excluding its home game broadcast rights from the conference’s TV contract).
I guess BYU was taking a chance that the Big East is so desperate that they’d give them a ridiculous deal regarding those TV rights.
It’s almost like ugly two drunks in a bar that are desperate to get it on with someone – anyone – and on the way to the motel, they both sober up enough that they realize it’s a bad idea.
Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS
Another classic piece of shoddy writing
BYU is not “full of themselves” nor did they ever agree at any point to give up their rites. Where your writing along with the dbag at CBS is incredibly retarded is that the Big East was courting BYU. In no report have you heard that BYU went for them. BYU has a great gig being independent. They currently are making more $$$ off of their partnership with ESPN and their own channel than any (yes ANY) Big East school.
Clearly you got your education from the U given you don’t understand a lick about business or contract negotiating. BYU is playing hard ball NO DOUBT! Suddenly that’s arrogant or stupid??? BYU has the upper hand, they are the ones being sought after. Did the Big East honestly think that BYU would turn down the Big 12 to keep their rites just to give them up for the Big East? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard!
Talk all you want about BYU being dumb, your lack of business intellect and diarrhea at the mouth hatred for BYU speaks volumes about your mental handicap.
BYU had interest
If they did not want part of the Big East they could have just said no. Also, the Big East will make more money in the next round of negotiations. Reports have been anywhere from $8-$12 million per year and that would trump what BYU will be making.
I get BYU is seeing what they can get, but it does not make them look good to the national perspective by asking for ridiculous demands. If BYU wants to be independent and they think that is best, then fine but they will NEVER be nationally relevant again. I know that is a bold statement, but going to a low level bowl game as the Armed Forces Bowl every year is not what recruits want to do. While Rutgers, Louisville or UConn will go 8-4 and go to the Orange Bowl and rake in that BCS cash and the exposure to attract good athletes.
Also, I don’t recall every making fun or belittling your education or your mental capacity that is out of bounds. Just keep comments on topic about the subject and leave personal attacks and everything is fine.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 24, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions

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