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Benson: Hopes to expand WAC to 10-12 teams


The past two days have been significant for the Western Athletic Conference, and there is definitely a Mountain West connection to this news.

This article by Dan McCarney of the San Antonio Express-News has some good details and quotes from WAC Commissioner Karl Benson.

More info and analysis below the fold.

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On Thursday, the NCAA re-wrote legislation on automatic tournament berths for conferences, eliminating the rule about continuous membership.  Now, the focus is solely on minimum membership expectations:  seven teams for men's and women's basketball, six for other sports, and eight to be recognized as an FBS conference.  

On Friday, Benson led a WAC meeting, and then shared some info with reporters afterward.  From McCarney's article:

“There are schools that have indicated they are ready to accept invitations,” Benson said after meeting with the athletic directors of the WAC's new eight-team lineup, including UTSA's Lynn Hickey and Texas State's Larry Teis, for about four hours.

Benson said additions could be announced as early as April 1.

While declining to name any football schools, Benson did say Seattle University, California State-Bakersfield and Utah Valley will be assessed as non-football members.

“We started the process today of evaluating a pool of potential candidates,” he said. “That's all I can tell you. I don't think staying at eight (members) is one of our preferred options. Our preference is to get to 10, maybe even 12.”

 

Benson is covering his bases in anticipation of the Mountain West's meeting on Jan. 24th.  On that date, the Mountain West may make the decision to either stay at 10 teams or expand to 12.  One of this blog's own great contributors, TowerPower, has suggested that MWC expansion would involve adding Utah State from the WAC and UTEP from C-USA.  C-USA would then nab Louisiana Tech from the WAC. If the MWC were to invite a non-football member to balance with Hawaii, it might be Denver, Gonzaga, or a re-union with BYU (remaining independent in football).

Clearly, Benson needs to be prepared for the possibility of losing 2-3 more schools from the WAC prior to that January 24th meeting, and it appears that's what he's doing. 

What's remarkable about that article is that no less than 12(!) potential schools are mentioned for WAC expansion in the article:

Extreme long shots:

Montana
Montana State
North Texas
Louisiana-Lafayette

I can't rationalize why those four institutions would leave their current situation to join the WAC.

The non-football schools:

Seattle
Utah Valley
CS Bakersfield

I could see all three of these schools joining the WAC.  It appears Benson is strategically trying to become less far flung geographically, even if it means taking severe hits in terms of branding/name recognition with the schools he's inviting.  I mean, the Big West rejected Bakersfield, and the WAC wants them.  Think about that.

Football schools specifically mentioned in the article:

Lamar, TX (starting up a football program)
Sam Houston State (has already conducted a feasibility study and stated it won't go up to FBS).
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Portland State

Lamar just started its football program back up after a 20-year hiatus.  Sam Houston has already conducted a feasibility study and stated it won't go up to FBS.  Davis and Poly appeared to gain some newfound security when they joined the Big Sky as football-only members recently.

As if 12 candidates weren't enough, Benson hinted that there were other schools he chose not to mention with reporters.  My own speculation here:  If SJSU, Cal Poly, UC Davis, and/or Bakersfield/Portland State were all aligned, Sac State might join them.    And if Lamar were to join, that might nudge Sam Houston State and Stephen F. Austin in the same direction.  These smaller schools would be hesitant to join a far-flung WAC, but "there's safety in numbers": Benson is seemingly trying to create a core group in California, and a core group in Texas.  Those schools, if there were able to be in divisions together, might have the best of both worlds:  the low-budget travel, and the slightly enhanced exposure of playing in FBS.

The other intriguing thing here is the three non-football schools.  Coupled with Denver, the WAC might have four non-football schools, which gives them the luxury of offering football-only membership to a few of the schools that might be on the fence.  They could be 14-team conference with 10 football schools, or a 12-team conference with eight football schools. 

What do you guys think is the most logical, reasonable scenario from there?  I am curious.  I realize this is only tangentially related to the Mountain West, but this is an excellent blog with some great participants and I wanted to bounce it off of some good thinkers. 

Imagine, if you would please, that the WAC is left with only 5-6 schools at the end of this month:  SJSU, Idaho, New Mexico State, UTSA, Texas State, and Denver(?).  Which 5-7 schools from the list above do you think they are most likely to add?  If they jump to 12, how would the divisions look?

 

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Good article. I personally can't see the NCAA letting the WAC just be non existent.

They need the teams for their bowl games.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 15, 2011 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think thats the reason...

those bowl games can easily be transferred to the Sun Belt or MAC like most expect the Humanitarian and Hawaii to transfer to the MWC in a few years, I think the NCAA wants a midmajor league in the West for upgrades…

Think about it….

The MAC is the upgrade conference for the Mid West and North East, the Sun Belt is the upgrade conference for the South East and Central, and the WAC is the upgrade conference for the West…

While people will argue that Idaho was in the Sun Belt…realistically since then it has solidified its footprint and probably would take Idaho back now if the WAC disbanded.

by TowerPower on Jan 17, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Honest question: Did you leave out the word "not" in that last sentence?

By reading the rest of the post, I think you mean to write, “the Sun Belt would not take back Idaho now if the WAC disbanded.” (Because they’ve solidified a footprint down further south).

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 18, 2011 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

yep thanks....

I don’t think they would take Idaho back…

by TowerPower on Jan 18, 2011 6:14 AM PST up reply actions  

WAC and Sun Belt

Apparently, Benson will pull together some semblance of a conference. He does seem to have a realistic concept of both available institutions and geographic footprint for travel budget purposes.

Perhaps the Sun Belt Conference and the Western Athletic Conference should get together to create a post-season championship game similar to the rumor regarding a Mtn West Conference vs Conference USA post-season championship game. Would the BCS big shots give a spot to these victors in the BCS bowls? Who knows??

In any event, I believe Benson would do well to work with the Sun Belt Conference to ensure both the Sun Belt and WAC have good geographic footprints as well as cooperation for bowl games, etc. There seems to be some benefits for these mid-major conferences to cooperate for the good of all members.

by Chris Holly Taylor on Jan 15, 2011 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

Too many candiddates

Karl Benson just won’t let the WAC die, will he…

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by rebelfan1 on Jan 15, 2011 9:11 PM PST reply actions  

You're right, and that's the interesting takeaway from the article for me.

We’ve been talking on here for a while about how the MWC’s next move might be “the death” of the WAC, stripping away 2-3 more schools. But Benson’s rhetoric shows that the WAC is a zombie if there ever was one. He’s willing to add Utah Valley and CS Bakersfield to keep his conference alive.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 15, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the MWC is finished

adding teams from the WAC, with the possible exception of Utah State, which is probably a long shot. Thompson has said he is looking at Texas. As for the WAC, both Montana and North Texas said they would not join back in November. And as for UC Davis and Cal Poly, both are joining the Big Sky for football and have expressed no interest in joining an increasing desperate WAC. Even the Sunbelt schools are feeling superior to the WAC.

Texas is where the WAC might survive, and I really think that is Benson’s only option. But that will further alienate the chances of getting the smaller schools in the Northwest to join due to increased travel costs.

by bluesyourdaddy on Jan 16, 2011 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless they get

Utah State/UTEP or SMU/Houston is the only place I see them expanding

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jan 16, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

But even the SMU/Houston scenario....

would lead to LA Tech coming to CUSA with…NM St?….maybe…either way the WAC would be toast…

by TowerPower on Jan 17, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

As for the MWC

I think you are right. Even a combination of the the four you mentioned are about the only options for MWC expansion. They might sit tight and see how the BE/Villanova expansion thing shakes out. Houston might be reluctant for a MWC invite until they see if they can follow TCU to the BE.

But about the WAC. They do have a shot at some Texas FCS schools, but many of those schools would prefer even the Sunbelt at this stage. Much of that reluctance is guessing that if Utah State and UTEP join the MWC, and La Tech goes to CUSA, the WAC will be finished, and certainly as an FBS league.

by bluesyourdaddy on Jan 17, 2011 5:10 AM PST reply actions  

Pac 10 would love the WAC ...

… to cut Davis’ teeth so that they could swipe them down the line.

Go Nevada Wolf Pack!

by BacksThePack on Jan 18, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, here's my 16-team WAC of the future:

Scenario: MWC takes UTEP, Utah State, and Gonzaga. Gonzaga and Hawaii fit neatly as the non-football/football only pairing; the Zags are enticed by the future of a much better conference TV deal (since MWC has football). BYU then seamlessly replaces Gonzaga and the WCC remains an eight-team conference. La Tech replaces UTEP in C-USA. The WAC is left with six members.

Benson responds with this 16-team conference, including 12 football teams (non-football schools in italics):

Coastal:

Sac St.
Portland St.
SJSU
Idaho
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Seattle
CS Bakersfield

Central:

New Mexico St.
UTSA
Texas State
Lamar
Sam Houston St.
Stephen F. Austin
Denver
Utah Valley

As crazy as it sounds, I think I’ve just created the WAC’s best-case scenario, assuming they are raided one more time for Utah State and La Tech. You get a championship game, and maybe a ~$3-4M annual bounty from that. You have very economical travel distances with the “California core” and the “Texas core”. You have rich recruiting pockets with such a presence in the two aforementioned states. You have good-sized media markets represented.

I actually think some of those small-tier FCS schools that I have on there – representing two-thirds(!) of the conference – would be emboldened to come up to FBS because they’d all be coming up together. It’s not like they’d be getting their head ripped off by SEC schools. On the contrary, there would barely be a step up in quality of play, because they’d simply be playing each other, SJSU, Idaho, and New Mexico State.

It would clearly be the worst conference in FBS. But it would also very clearly keep the WAC alive, and that appears to be a goal that Benson and the other athletic directors share, since most of the remaining five wouldn’t have any reasonable alternative.

Notice that I did not include Montana, Montana State, North Texas, and Louisiana-Lafayette. I can’t see those four teams leaving their current, desirable situations to participate in the 16-team league I just created.

The Big West would be left with 8 schools, after CP and Davis’ departure. The Big Sky would be left with nine, and perhaps eventually eight after the last Dakota leaves for the Summit.

Thoughts?

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 17, 2011 8:09 PM PST reply actions  

Nice post...

I’ll write more about this tomorrow but here are some schools I think the WAC is/will be looking at in the Texasish area…
Louisiana- LA Lafayette, LA Monroe, and McNeese St
Texas- North Texas, Sam Houston St, Lamar, and Stephen F Austin
Texas(non-football) – UT Arlington, UT Pan American, and Houston Baptist
Arkansas – Arkansas St
Arkansas (non-football) -AU-Little Rock, AU Pine Bluff, and Central Arkansas

Does anyone else find it funny that LA Tech is now the BIG DOG in the WAC…?

by TowerPower on Jan 17, 2011 9:34 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for chiming in, TowerPower.

I would be VERY curious for you and Jeremy to handicap the odds of Gonzaga jumping to the MWC as the Hawaii “balancer”. I mean, I haven’t even heard a rumor about it yet, but it seems to make a ton of sense to me. And we know they’d be a much stronger member than Denver or Seattle would, if we are looking at non-football schools for that “13th”/full-time 12th spot.

Jeremy has already ruled out any chance of BYU returning with its tail between its legs, and I wholeheartedly agree with him. But what about the Zags? Is there, say, a 25% chance of that happening? Thanks for the feedback. I hope you’ll come back to this thread, I learn a lot when you post.

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 18, 2011 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know why the Zags would want to move

To me, moving to the MWC would be a very poor decision for the Zags.
  
They already get plenty of exposure on ESPN and, IMHO, playing in the WCC is much easier path to the NCAA Tournament. The addition of BYU should elevate the WCC a good deal. With the addition of BYU, I can now see the WCC consistently putting 2-3 teams into the dance every year with the Zags and Cougs normally being in the mix. Why compete in a league comprised of large public schools with bigger athletic budgets when you can continue to dominate an improved WCC?

by Smoove V on Jan 18, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Money

They would make 7-8 times more money in the MWC since they would get the football revenue without having to sponsor a football program.

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by rebelfan1 on Jan 18, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't sound right to me

I can’t imagine the football schools would agree to that deal. If they do then I have a bridge to sell them.

Hawaii won’t be getting any March Madness money from the MWC so I don’t understand how/why Gonzaga would get a piece of the football money.

by Smoove V on Jan 18, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Both Hawaii and Gonzaga would split a share of the contract....

Hawaii would take an allotted percent for football (possibly a little less than what is fair depending on the pending travel subsidies deal with the other MWC teams) and Gonzaga would get the rest, however that money would still be significantly larger than the current amount they receive from the WCC’s TV deal since (like I said below) MWC teams generally get more exposure than WCC teams and thus more money. While Gonzaga does get on national TV a lot most of the rest of the conference only does locally, and since the conferences split revenue equally you can see why the Zags may switch to the conference with not only larger media markets but also the more recognizable teams. This would obviously make the Zags think twice about turning down an invite from the MWC, I doubt they would immediately dismiss the offer without taking a long and hard look at the numbers.

by TowerPower on Jan 18, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by rebelfan1 on Jan 18, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

I was working under the assumption that the way to more money was through the NCAA Tournament (getting there and then winning). I thought most of the TV deals for basketball didn’t bring a ton of revenue to begin with. So switching conferences wouldn’t bring a significant amount of money. At least when compared with the money you could potentially earn in the NCAA Tournament.

by Smoove V on Jan 19, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love to get the Zags in the MWC...

but I have a feeling that they are very secure and stable in the WCC, they pretty much have a auto-bid wrapped up most years and get a nice seat in the tourney….however if the MWC ever had a chance to steal them away now would be the time, BYU basketball could make it more difficult for them to have a guaranteed spot and if they are already being forced to compete in a tougher conference why not join the MWC which has more exposure and name recognition (due to its football success)than the WCC and better TV money. If I was Vegas I’d have had Gonzaga’s odds of joining the MWC they were 10000 to 1 but now its more like 100 to 1….as we all know their name recognition and market would be a great addition to the MWC.

by TowerPower on Jan 18, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

La Tech, such a juggernaut :)

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by notsellingjeans on Jan 18, 2011 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Arkansas?

I could see possibly a couple of teams from Louisiana, but Arkansas is way out there. Travel would be way too expensive for any of those schools to want to move up.

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by rebelfan1 on Jan 18, 2011 4:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm from East Texas...

and I travel to Arkansas, Houston, DFW, and Central all the time, its not close but itsd closer to those Arky schools than So Miss, UAB, and the FL INT/ATL schools…

Its squarly in the footprint of the ArkLaTex area…

by TowerPower on Jan 18, 2011 6:17 AM PST up reply actions  

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 23, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  


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