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MWC Power Rankings: Week 1

Well, week 1 is in the books. Okay, not completely... but it is for the MWC. Which means its time to look back and at the action and see where the MWC sits. The game recaps themselves sit on the front page; no need for me to go over them in much detail again.

The conference, as a whole, went 3-3 against the "BCS" teams and 3-0 against FCS teams (always good to see). Included in that 3-3 is the beating of 2 ranked teams (as opposed to 2 losses versus ranked teams) and the beating of a team containing a guy who is considered by some as the "best QB in college football" and the #1 pick in next year's NFL draft. If you'll remember, Sam Bradford was in the same position last year... his team got beat by BYU, and he got injured (though he still went #1). Maybe Jake Locker should consider himself lucky... he's still good to go for the next game.

So, on to the power rankings. Please note: I don't care what was thought of the teams beforehand. Quite simply, its "who did you beat" and "how did you beat them". Its very early in the season, so teams with more wins will tend to be higher up in the ranking. Performance matters. Also note, it has nothing to do with how I think they'll finish the season, or even how they'll do next week. For example, me putting BYU ahead of Air Force has nothing to do with how I think their match-up will play out next week.

Star-divide

 

  1. TCU- It wasn't the prettiest game, but TCU went out and beat a top-25 ranked team in a well fought game. Like most of the teams, their were some early struggles, but they seemed to get them all figured out as the game went on. Andy Dalton is fine as a game-manager, but that ground game is really impressive. Ed Wesley averaged just under 8 yards/carry in the win. And next week should be a really easy game for the Horned Frogs. Up next: Tennessee Tech (0-1, L @ Arkansas)
  2. Utah- If the game had ended 4 minutes into the 4th quarter, Utah would be #1 right now here. After a very sluggish start (aided in no way by Shaky Smithson), the Utes woke up. The offense played well, the defense was terrific. Jordan Wynn had a solid first half (as did Jereme Brooks), and none of top-25 Pitt's big name guys were able to break free. After a slight brain-freeze late (aided by some questionable decision-making, including a pass and running out of bounds when they should've been running clock), the Utes held on and snatched the game in overtime. The Utes start conference play up in week 2 with another home game. Up next: UNLV (0-1, L v. Wisconsin)
  3. BYU- I guess the only reason they're not in the top-2 right now is because Washington wasn't ranked. Stupid, I know, but what to do. Like TCU & Utah, there was a sort of a sluggish start, and Jake Locker seemed amazing. But after a bit, the 2-QB rotation started working (I want to see how long they go with this though) and the team started playing well. Jake Locker struggled late on a couple of key 4th down plays, and that was it for Washington. Like the Utes, BYU starts conference play in week 2... but with a much tougher opponent (or so one would think). Up next: @ Air Force (1-0, W v. Northwestern State)
  4. San Diego State- It was a slow start, but after the first quarter, the Aztecs picked it up. And, in the process, they picked up the easiest win for any of the MWC schools, thrashing Nicholls State to the tune of 47-0. Ryan Lindley had a field day, and the Aztecs' 3 main rushers (in the game, at least) combined for 204 yards on 32 carries. No faults here; they were supposed to win big, and they did. The Aztecs move up a notch to playing the WAC in week 2. Up next: @ New Mexico State (0-0)
  5. Air Force- Like SDSU, the Falcons won big at home against a FCS school. The difference (and thus the reason that SDSU is higher right now) is simple enough... at half-time, the Falcons were only up 24-21. They woke up soon after, though, and rolled to a 41-0 second half advantage on the scoreboard. The Falcons were, most likely, shaken up early by the neck injury suffered by CB Reggie Rembert (one of the better CBs in the league)... one of 3 neck injuries in the game... but slowly woke up and rolled on. According to Yahoo!, 17 different players had at least 1 carry for the Falcons. 17! I'm not a huge follower of Air Force football, but that's a lot. And you have to be alert; you never know who'll be carrying the ball on the next play. The Falcons will have to be ready from opening whistle in week 2 as they have a huge conference game on schedule. Up next: BYU (1-0, W v. Washington)
  6. Wyoming- Of the 3 teams playing FCS schools, this one was the closest. After jumping ahead (14-10 at half-time, 28-10 after 3 quarters), Wyoming watched Southern Utah storm back to cut the lead to 28-20 with 6 minutes left before finally holding on. The Cowboys' ground game struggled mightily, but Austyn Carta-Samuels was a workhorse for Wyoming and lifted them to the win. Of course, struggling with Southern Utah is not a good sign, given that their next opponent is most definitely NOT Southern Utah. Up next: @ Texas (1-0, W @ Rice)
  7. UNLV- All 3 losers for the MWC were pretty pathetic, all considered. UNLV ends up here because... well... at least they showed some life against a top-25 team. It wasn't much, and it wasn't pretty. The Rebels did keep it close for a half though, before Wisconsin exploded for 24 third-quarter points. They struggled all over the place offensively, and the Badgers' running game ripped them to pieces. Which could lead to trouble in their next game. Up next: @ Utah (1-0, W v. Pittsburgh)
  8. Colorado State- The loss wasn't as bad as as UNLV's, in the sense that the Rams only gave up 24 points. At a neutral stadium. The problem, though, is that they only managed 3 points against their biggest rivals. While the Buffaloes aren't that good (okay, I don't really know that), the Rams were done in by a weak passing attack (only 5.9 yards/attempt)... something that was aided by the fact that the Rams could not get anything going in the ground game. For example, Raymond Carter received 11 carries, and picked up just 10 yards. That is not going to cut it for the Rams, especially with a freshman QB. And now they head out on the road for a WAC game. Up next: @ Nevada (1-0, W v. Eastern Washington)
  9. New Mexico- ... Yeah. I don't even know what to say. At least Oregon didn't put 100 on them? Sure, Oregon is a top-25 team, but this was a disaster. Oregon was up 28-0 after one, 59-0 at half-time, and would've won by even more if they had wanted to. The Ducks had 2 guys rush for over 100 yards, and one of them (Kenjon Barner) had 4 rushing TDs and 1 receiving TD (of 60 yards) to go with his 147 rushing yards. The Ducks had 720 total yards, to 107 for the Lobos. And it doesn't get much easier for New Mexico with another BCS team with a high-octane offense due up. Up next: Texas Tech (1-0, W v. SMU)

 

Early look at next weeks games.

  • BYU @ Air Force: BYU won the match-up last year, aided by a Max Hall explosion and an Air Force implosion (it was 31-7 after the 3rd quarter). The Falcons could be looking to redeem themselves.
  • UNLV @ Utah: The Utes started slow last year and had 10 penalties for 110 yards, but were carried to victory by Terrance Cain and Eddie Wide. You'd think the Utes will be more disciplined at home this year.
  • Tennessee Tech @ TCU: As far as I can see, these teams have never faced off. That shouldn't matter too much for TCU though. Tennessee Tech was just clobbered by Arkansas in week 1, after all.
  • Wyoming @ Texas: Texas won big last year (41-10), but that's after needing a last minute drive in the 1st half to go into the locker-room with a lead. That game was in Wyoming though; no altitude help for Wyoming here.
  • San Diego State @ New Mexico State: The game was tied midway through the 4th last year after an Aggies TD, but the Aztecs pulled off 17 points in the last 7 minutes to win with some ease.
  • Texas Tech @ New Mexico: Last year, Tech had to go to a back-up QB in the 2nd quarter, and was only up 14-7 at halftime. The Lobos imploded soon after, and 21 third-quarter points helped Texas Tech to an easy win.
  • Colorado State @ Nevada: The Rams won the game at home after going up 14-0 in the first quarter. Nevada was coming off of a bye week (following a crushing 35-0 loss at Notre Dame); spirits should be higher this year.
As I mentioned above, the MWC was 3-3 against the BCS schools last week, beating Pittsburgh, Oregon State and Washington while losing to Wisconsin, Colorado and Oregon. This week, there are 2 more BCS schools on the schedule... Texas (v. Wyoming) and Texas Tech (@ New Mexico). Conference play gets under way with 2 conference match-ups (BYU @ Air Force, UNLV @ Utah), and the MWC/WAC match-ups start off as well with 2 games (SDSU @ NMSU, CSU @ Nevada). And the seemingly mandatory FCS game (Tennessee Tech @ TCU). The MWC went a total of 6-3 last week; it'll be harder to top that this week given the 2 automatic losses in the conference games. Maybe the MWC can pull off a 5-4 record this week?

Poll
How would you put the top 3 of the MWC this week, based on how they performed in week 1?
TCU, Utah, BYU
53 votes
TCU, BYU, Utah
10 votes
Utah, TCU, BYU
5 votes
Utah, BYU, TCU
1 votes
BYU, TCU, Utah
3 votes
BYU, Utah, TCU
1 votes

73 votes | Poll has closed

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Curious

the staff rankings; are they based on “who’s the best team” (in which case Air Force > SDSU, most likely), or based on who did what this week?

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by UtesFan89 on Sep 6, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

good questions

I am going off week to week performance based on who they played and how well. There will be 8 or 9 voters so it will vary, they can vote as they choose.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 6, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah

so it’ll be a good mix. That’s always good.

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by UtesFan89 on Sep 6, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

TCU. BYU than Utah

Its probably because I’m a Cougar fan. but I’d put BYU ahead of Utah because of how much talk there was around Jake Locker. If he is an early candidate for Heisman Trophy then that has to count for something.
It took BYU nearly the whole first half to find their rhythm but they eventually found it. All the so called “experts” said Washington would beat BYU.
Utah seems to always win the close games lately. Like you said they would be ranked higher (#1) if the game didn’t go to overtime. It seems like they just know how to win.

by dianaallen on Sep 6, 2010 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

My thing is that while Locker was a candidate for some (I was never high on him)

it seemed like Washington had major issues that makes it hard to put BYU ahead of Utah, because they beat a ranked team. (Even though I’m not a fan of pre-season rankings, there has to be some way to measure them, I guess.)

I think there’s a fair case for both Utah and BYU (2-A, 2-B), I pretty much went with Utah because of Pitt being ranked. Also, it seemed like (1 stupid possession aside), Utah seemed to wake up and stay that way late… BYU seemed to wake up, and then shut back down a bit late. We’ll see… just 1 week, and BYU has a huge game this week. (If BYU wins, they’ll most likely be #1 next week)

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by UtesFan89 on Sep 6, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a BYU fan

But I agree with that logic even though I believe BYU, over the course of the season, will prove to be the better team.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Sep 7, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better team?

I assume you mean just out of BYU & Utah right?
We’ll see… neither team really impressed on the whole this week… and now BYU is going to have a bigger challenge than Utah this week around (so it seems).

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by UtesFan89 on Sep 7, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I ment between BYU and Utah. TCU is clearly the best team in the MWC.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Sep 7, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

Yeah, I agree with that.
I keep reading (from BYU fans) that the Florida State game could be ugly (for BYU)… it gives me pause in saying they’ll be the better team. We’ll see though.

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by UtesFan89 on Sep 7, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

but Utah

also shot down a Heisman candidate in Dion Lewis and Pitt was a top 15 team. Cant agree with BYU second, but I am a Ute fan, so…

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by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 6, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

held him to 75 yards. his lowest total as a college player.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 8, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

the only expert i know is mark may. he picked pitt, osu and va tech. that is 0-3. lol.

he will pick oregon state over boise and notre dame over utah in the coming weeks. the interesting question is lou holtz. will he pick utah over n.d.?

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 8, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy to explain

May went to Pitt, and hates the non-AQ schools.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 9, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon State isn't a top 25 team

Oregon State will not be ranked again this season. They will be a middle of the road PAC-10 team, and TCU’s victory over them will be proven to be nothing special.

by rrb on Sep 7, 2010 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

The reason I don't think they make it back into the top 25

Is that they have Boise State in 2 weeks. That will keep them out and they continue to evenly be given games they will lose. Meaning as they are on the verge of getting back in, they will be beaten yet again.

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by rebelfan1 on Sep 7, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

True.

I think Oregon State was ranked to start the season; I don’t expect to see them very far up in the polls the rest of the season. If Boise State can handle them, TCU’s SOS is going to suffer a bit, but until then, TCU has the benefit of beating a top-25 team.

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by UtesFan89 on Sep 7, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oregon State

The Beavers have a brutal schedule. 9 Pac-10 games, TCU, Boise State, and Louisville. Fuckin’ A. I don’t know that anyone else in the country has the courage to schedule like that.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Means they got balls and the SEC doesnt.

by WolfpackNev on Sep 8, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey now

Don’t go SEC hatin’.

Not only does the SEC have to play itself (pretty brutal when you cast aside Vandy and the MS schools), but the SEC is playing the following OOC games:

South Carolina vs. Clemson (yearly)
Alabama vs. Penn State
Arkansas vs. Texas A&M
Auburn vs. Clemson
LSU vs. North Carolina
LSU vs. West Virginia
Florida vs. Florida State (yearly)
Florida vs. South Florida
Georgia vs. Georgia Tech (yearly)
Kentucky vs. Louisville (yearly)
Tennessee vs. Oregon
Vanderbilt vs. UCONN
Vanderbilt vs. Wake Forest

…and this isn’t even mentioning that the SEC is 6-0 in BCS National Championship games. It’s also 14-5 in all BCS games, which means the conference has the best winning percentage (.737) of all conferences.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 8, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strength of Schedule Rankings

These are the Congrove rankings, as they were the first ones I found.

  1. Oregon State

But then….

  1. Vanderbilt
  2. Tennessee
  3. LSU
  4. Mississippi State
  5. Alabama
  6. South Carolina
  7. Georgia
  8. Florida
  9. Auburn
  10. Arkansas
  11. Ole Miss
  12. Kentucky

Average SOS: 22.416

Average Pac-10 SOS: 28.800

Average MWC SOS: 44.777

Boise State: 76
Nevada: 93
Fresno State: 84

Just sayin’ :-)

by VA Libertarian on Sep 8, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn, that's weird

I had the numbers next to the SEC schools, but the blog somehow changed them from 1-12. To do that again, let’s try

Vanderbilt – 4
Tennessee – 7
LSU – 8
Mississippi State – 9
Alabama – 12
South Carolina – 14
Georgia – 19
Florida – 20
Auburn – 25
Arkansas – 39
Ole Miss – 53
Kentucky – 59

by VA Libertarian on Sep 8, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

And in case anyone's wondering...

Average SOS:

ACC: 31.166
Big XII: 34.416
Big Ten: 70.272
Big East: 73.750

Notre Dame: 43

Yes, the average Mountain West team has a stronger strength of schedule than the average Big Ten or Big East team.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 8, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow...

I that goes to say that now Bill Hancock can not say that the Big East’s overall conference strength, Top 25 teams or highest ranked team are better than the MWC’s.

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by rebelfan1 on Sep 8, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It also sort of kills the “Mountain West is good at the top but crap at the bottom” argument. How does anyone know what the bottom of the Big Ten is like when they play nothing but fluff? I think if there was a Mountain West – Big Ten “Challenge,” the MWC would stand a fair chance.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 8, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to rain on you parade but the mwc has 8 wins to the sec 7 wins in heads up matchups.

the sec will not be the dominate conf. this year. the gators looked awful vs miami of ohio who was ranked dead last (120 fbs teams). ole miss lost to jacksonville state. lsu had to hold onto a last second victory over a depleted n.c team. plus vandy lost to the conference they always pick on the big ten. (northwestern). another thing that always amazes me is how bama always gets these big games at home. va tech last year and now penn state. florida never travels past texas in the last decade or so and just about everybody in the sec gets 7 home games and sometimes 8 home games. i think forida played once in cali in the last 12 years. that is off the top of my head. sure they were the best conference but i see a changing of the guard in the next few years.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Every conference would look tough if they only had to play 4 games away from home.

by NC Ute on Sep 9, 2010 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, talk about your hatin'

You can’t seriously be trying to argue the Mountain West is stronger than the SEC. Even in a down year (which this is), it’s still the toughest conference in the country.

Also…

-Alabama played Virginia Tech in Atlanta, not Tuscaloosa.
-Nobody cares who the Mississippi schools or Vanderbilt loses to, though I think Mississippi State might turn some heads this year.
-A lot of the schools that “never travel” generally play a tough OOC team from their area (Florida v. Florida State, South Carolina v. Clemson, Georgia v. Georgia Tech, Kentucky v. Louisville, etc.), plus the 8 games in conference.
-If you had to go through the meat-grinder that is SEC conference play, you wouldn’t want to schedule many big OOC games either, what with the current BCS system. Hell, Auburn went 13-0 in 2004 and still didn’t get to play for the NC.

Also, in the last 8 or 9 seasons….

Georgia has gone to Oklahoma State
Georgia has gone to Arizona State
Georgia has gone to Clemson
South Carolina has gone to N.C. State
South Carolina has gone to North Carolina
South Carolina has gone to Virginia
Tennessee has gone to UCLA
Tennessee has gone to Cal
Tennessee has gone to Notre Dame
Tennessee has gone to Miami (FL)
Vanderbilt has gone to Wake Forest
Vanderbilt has gone to Michigan
Vanderbilt has gone to Navy
Vanderbilt has gone to TCU
Vanderbilt has gone to Georgia Tech
Alabama played Virginia Tech in Atlanta
Alabama played Clemson in Atlanta
Alabama has gone to Oklahoma
Alabama has gone to UCLA
Auburn has gone to West Virginia
Auburn has gone to Southern Cal
Auburn has gone to Syracuse (when the Orange went 10-3)
Arkansas has played Texas A&M in Dallas
Arkansas has gone to Texas
Arkansas has gone to Southern Cal
LSU has gone to Washington
LSU has gone to Arizona State
LSU has gone to Arizona
LSU has gone to Virginia Tech
Ole Miss has gone to Wake Forest
Ole Miss has gone to Missouri
Ole Miss has gone to Texas Tech
Miss. State has gone to Oregon
Miss. State has gone to BYU

[note: some of those series happened multiple times, too – like Arkansas going to Texas, for example]

This also doesn’t mention many of the mid-tier ‘rivalries’ such as Kentucky v. Indiana or Ole Miss v. Memphis, or odd ‘away’ games such as Ole Miss @ Arkansas State, or anything Miss. State does (@MTSU, @ La. Tech, @ Tulane, @UAB, etc.)

Maybe the travel doesn’t seem as far because there are a lot more teams on the East Coast and in the South to play.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 9, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

33 suppossed games away in 8 or 9 years. do the math. that's less than 4 away games if you use 9 years in a 12 team league

atlanta is more sec country than acc. the sec cg plays there. i’m not hating either. just pointing out facts. never said mwc was better but in straight up matchups it’s 8-7. utah having the biggest one over bama in the sugar bowl. totally sec country and wyoming having two of those wins including the incredible +27.5 points spread win over the volunteers and they won the game outright. and like i said florida travels nowhere. also vandy has the most at 5 away games. you actually missed 2 games b/c usc beat arkansas 70 -17 and beat auburn 23-0. or 23-7. look it up. the sec is the best confernece now but it ’s going to change in just a couple of years once we get this superleagues going.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

okay you have the arkansas and auburn games correct but not the scores

i would be interested in the scores of those games too.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

the other 32 games they played away if you got the time.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your hating is ridiculous

Here’s some scores for you:

2009/10 National Championship:
Alabama 37, Texas 21

2009/10 Sugar Bowl:
Florida 51, Cincinnati 24

2008/09 National Championship:
Florida 24, Oklahoma 14

2007/08 National Championship:
LSU 38, Ohio State 24

2007/08 Sugar Bowl:
Georgia 41, Hawaii 10

2006/07 National Championship:
Florida 41, Ohio State 14

2006/07 Sugar Bowl:
LSU 41, Notre Dame 14

2004/05 Sugar Bowl:
Auburn 16, Virginia Tech 13
-The year Auburn should have had a shot at the National Championship, and may even still be awarded it with USC’s cheating scandal

2003/04 National Championship:
LSU 21, Oklahoma 14

2002/03 Sugar Bowl:
Georgia 26, Florida State 13

2001/02 Sugar Bowl:
LSU 47, Illinois 34

2001/02 Orange Bowl:
Florida 56, Maryland 23

1998/99 National Championship:
Tennessee 23, Florida State 16

1998/99 Orange Bowl:
Florida 31, Syracuse 10

In 12 years of the BCS…

-The SEC has won half of the National Championships (6), and should have one more (undefeated 2004 Auburn team)
-The SEC is 6-0 in National Championship games
-The SEC leads all conferences with a .737 winning percentage in all BCS bowls, which it has impressively done in 19 games

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

that was not even the discussion. it was how little the sec goes on road games

look at it this way. utah and say sdsu in 9 years would have played 36 ooc games away. more than your entire conference of 12 teams. now do you get the math. i already know the championships. i live in nevada and live in las vegas during the 4 months of college football. btw . the sec is a terrible covering conference. boise state in the last 14 years is 65 games above 50% the next closest team is iowa with around 40 above. utah is around 34 above 50% and that counts bowl games. so i can make alot more money on utah and boise than say bama who is 7 games under 50% in the last 14 years. look it up slick.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember ooc out of league play.

i’m going to look up exactly how many away games each team in the sec plays. i bet most will be an 8 home games and 4 road game schedule with 3 of the away games being in conference. i’ll have it by manana. stop saying hating to. i’m stating my case not hating on any conference.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll do you one better

I say “hating” because that’s what you’re doing. You have virtually no facts to back up your case – you’re just repeating a bunch of talking points you’ve heard repeated by idiots.

10-year average for home games of teams in the SEC:

SEC EAST
Florida: 6.5 (7 if you credit half the neutral-site games with UGA as ‘home’ games)
Georgia: 6.3 (6.8 if you credit half the neutral-site games with UF as ’home games)
Kentucky: 6.8
South Carolina: 6.9
Tennessee: 7.0
Vanderbilt: 6.5

SEC WEST
Alabama: 7.4 (had 2 years with extra game for going to Hawaii; would be 7.2 without those)
Arkansas: 7.2
Auburn: 7.3
LSU: 7.1
Ole Miss: 6.7
Mississippi State: 6.6

For some contrast:
Texas: 6.3 (6.8 if you credit half the neutral-site games with OU as ‘home games’)
Ohio State: 7.2
Michigan: 7.0
Florida State: 6.5
Oklahoma: 6.6 (7.1 if you credit half the neutral-site games with UT as ‘home games’)
Nebraska: 7.2
Notre Dame: 6.6

I hate to break it to you, but the SEC’s scheduling is more or less in line with what other big programs do. When Utah gets the clout to do similar (assuming the Pac-10 drops it’s 9-game conference schedule), I’d be surprised if they didn’t do the same.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 11, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Average

That works out to a 6.9 home games per team average, btw. That’s a far cry from the 8 games you’ve been crying about so loudly.

Factor that in with the strength of schedule, and I think your argument just got completely flushed.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 11, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?

You do realize that if I cared that much, I could look up how many road games each team has played. It’s a lot more than you think, and way more than I’ve listed. I was merely highlighting some of the better ones. Do SEC teams play more home games than MWC teams? Yes. Do they do it more than other BCS progams and conferences? Probably not.

Moreover, I couldn’t give a crap about betting vs. the line. To me, that has nothing to do with actual football talent and everything to do with the talent estimations of bookies. Who cares?

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

i care b/c i make money on this

plus the sec does get the most home games of any conference. that is a fact.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 11, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

...

You just had to make me look this up, didn’t you?

And I don’t think it’s a fact that the SEC gets the most home games. I think SEC programs get about as many home games as other major programs do.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 11, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

Based on the math I just did… averaging in that the average SEC team plays roughly 5 games a year on the road, that means the entire conference has played something around 108 or so road games in 12 years.

Again, that list wasn’t a list of all the road games SEC teams have played. It was just a highlight package.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 11, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

To clarify

That’s 108 or so OOC road games.

Obviously the actual road game total would be much higher (in 9 years, it would be roughly 540 road games).

by VA Libertarian on Sep 11, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

well utah should have played form the national championship in 2004 and 2008

we did beat bama more than florida did and the gators had to score the last ten points in that game to win it 2008.utah dominated the whole game.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bama

You beat a Bama team that couldn’t have given two shits to be in that game, and was only the second-best team in the SEC that year. You try losing out on the SEC championship and seeing how much you care to show up and play the next game.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

that is always the excuse. if your not motivated to play its nick saban's fault and he even said so

plus saban apologized to utah saying they were the only “real” undefeated regular season team. meaning that they were aq bcs while utah was not. that changes next year for my team. i give saban credit for apologizing. why don’t you just suck it up and say utah was just better that night. even most of the bama fans say that now but that was after last years title.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you played many sports?

I’ve had to play games after being knocked out of the playoffs before, and I wasn’t motivated to play those games at all. Now, were my team a big name and the team we were playing was trying to make a statement out of us, yeah – I could see said team winning. If you had lined up a motivated ’Bama team, I think the game would be quite different.

Nevertheless, I think Utah had a Hell of a team that year, and may well have been capable of beating a motivated Bama (though I don’t think they could have beaten Florida, but that’s beside the point). The fact remains, however, that the SEC was still the best conference in the country that year (and many others).

by VA Libertarian on Sep 11, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

i played sports all thru high school. i played hard regardless of our record.

i played footbal, baseball and lacrosse. i lived in new york and for a little while virginia. been out west for the last decade. saban is doing it again. already putting down boise schedule. valid, but he knows he might have to play them with 5 weeks to prepare and boise can beat anyone on a nuetral field with 5 weeks to prepare. could we say saban is scared? he made the same mistake with utah. btw. vandy stinks. both mississippi’s are below average. kentucky has two bogus wins. so the beatdown wku who was 0-12 last year. tennessse got destroyed at home by oregon and auburn just squeeked by msu. stil not a believer in arkansas. beatdown a sunbelt team. only two very good teams bama and south carolina. just facts my friend. oh, i went 12-1 the first time i picked in your pick em game. i wagered on most of those too.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 11, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont start with that again

Bama was out coached and outplayed. they were the top team in the country the whole year and got worked.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 12, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um...

Those are the highlights of where teams went – the bigger games OOC. If you look at the schedules, they obviously played more away games out of conference than that.

As for the Atlanta games, they split the seat sales pretty fairly – it’s not like it’s homecourt for the SEC. That’s like saying Dallas is ‘Longhorn country’ for the OU-Texas game, even though the seat sales are split pretty evenly, and it’s halfway between both campuses. Obviously, there are more UT fans in Dallas than OU fans, but at the stadium that doesn’t matter.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

To clarify

It was a response to the idea that the SEC doesn’t “play anybody” away from home.

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

You failed to realize that I included in that list rivalries played every year, and therefore creating away games every other year.

Every other year…

South Carolina goes to Clemson
Georgia plays at Georgia Tech
Florida plays at Florida State
Kentucky plays at Louisville

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

you also fail to mention that the sec beats up on the worst conference the sunbelt every year.

it’s usually 2 games a year but i think they have cut it down to 1. also bama will prove to be the only great team in the sec. everybody else will just beat up on each other. i already got south florida plus 16.5 vs the gators this weekend. if bama plays boise in the bcs ncg in the fiesta bowl i’m taking bpois and the points and the moneyline. i will win too. i know boise is going 12-0 i’m not so sure bama does not lose 2 games along the way and would not even get there. things are changing for the better in college football

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 10, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again

Betting lines have nothing to do with actual football – football is measure in wins and losses, not success in Vegas.

And yes, some teams play some Sun Belt games – they play a bunch of FCS teams, too – but that’s mainly about revenue and compensating for having the toughest conference schedules in the country.

When you factor in conference play and the OOC rivalries (such as South Carolina v. Clemson), no conference produces tougher schedules than the SEC.

Teams like Utah get to play a lot of easy teams at the bottom of the MWC and Utah State – why should SEC teams be held to a ridiculous standard over playing 1 or 2 games a year vs. Sun Belt or FCS teams?

by VA Libertarian on Sep 10, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 8, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  


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