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Utah State And The Mountain West Are In Round Two Of Negotiations For The Aggies To Join The League

The Aggies are now in a second round of negotiations in an attempt to join the Mountain West and leave the sinking ship known as the WAC. With the buyout clause now not in effect every school should be or is on the look out for a new home. So far only Utah State only Hawaii is actively looking at new options:

Given reports that Hawaii is also considering going independent in football and entered into at least preliminary discussions with the Big West about its non-football sports, Benson acknowledged Tuesday that everybody in the league is now back in play - including the Aggies.

"It wouldn't surprise me to know that Utah State is having conversations with the Mountain West Conference," Benson told The Tribune. "That's probably a phase that applies to all of us now. It's the operative phase."

All of this depends on if the Mountain West is going to be an eleven or twelve team league and that also depends on what BYU does.

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If BYU stays an eleven team league is not good for football because teams do not play each other and there is no chance for a title game; then for basketball no team is going to play a twenty team conference schedule. Utah State is looking more of a likely candidate then Houston because there is some strict penalties for Houston leaving C-USA:

A number of reports indicate that the University of Houston might be an option for the Mountain West should the conference choose to expand, giving TCU a travel partner. According to the source, Conference USA, the league Houston belongs to, also has a buyout penalty, although the amount of the fee is not known.

"In the language of the departure penalty, any school that attempts to leave the conference would be subject to any liquidated damages that would result in the loss of the television contract for the conference," the source said.

Proving someone attempted to leave a league can be difficult to prove legally unless there is some hard proof that there was plan set in place. Unless Houston does a deal like BYU did with the WAC (really I am not trying to pile on) where they can find evidence of trying to leave that will be hard to enforce.

It is starting to look like Utah State is inching their way to the Mountain West with our without BYU in the league.  The Mountain West should only consider Utah State if BYU is not in the league, because they need to try to keep the Mtn. network in the state.

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What a difference 10 years makes....

Here’s what the WAC looked like in 1999 by date of entry to the conference (1999 was the last year of the old WAC, before BYU & Co. left)

1. BYU
2. UNM – MWC
3. Wyoming – MWC

4. Utah
5. Colorado State- MWC
6. UTEP
7. San Diego State — MWC
8. Hawaii
9. Air Force — MWC
10. Fresno State — MWC
11. UNLV — MWC
12. TCU — MWC

13. Rice
14. SMU
15. Tulsa
16. San Jose State

Just insane that 10 years ago the MWC formed and it’s already changed to the point where they have to add teams the original members blamed for the demise of the WAC (like Fresno). Back then, BYU & Others were upset that the WAC had been watered down and that it was spread too far – into Texas. Now, the MWC is also adding teams that never would have been added to the WAC had the original MWC 8 never left to begin with (namely the Big West’s Boise, Utah State, Nevada- 1999).

by Adrian Mac on Aug 24, 2010 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I just posted this question on another thread

I know Comcast can at least renegotiate the contract if BYU leaves, but I thought I read somewhere that Comcast also has the option of dropping The Mtn. altogether?

Does anyone know if that is accurate?

by Smoove V on Aug 24, 2010 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

what do you mean by dropping The mtn?

I believe it is written if BYU and Utah are not in the league the tv deal is void or maybe the mtn. I have yet to find anything concrete on that.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 24, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dropping, as in the Mtn Network joins the WAC in the annuls of history

I thought they had the option of just saying we don’t want this network anymore. At the very least, I would think they could effectively end The Mtn by low balling the contract during the renegotiation process. The MWC is kind of at Comcast’s mercy if BYU leaves, no?

Where I’m going with this, is how does Utah St help the MWC in any way, shape, or form? If BYU leaves, Comcast can renegotiate the TV deal. I have to believe Comcast execs aren’t dumb enough to think Utah St will deliver the SLC market so adding them won’t deliver any additional TV revenues. If BYU does stay, Utah St does nothing in my view.

At the very least, Fresno St and Reno give us two additional TV markets and some meat in the middle of the conference. Utah St just seems like dead weight.

Maybe to keep a recruiting base in Utah if BYU leaves? I just don’t get it.

by Smoove V on Aug 24, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

tv

the deal can be redone by adding or losing teams. It can not just be dropped.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 24, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Utah State makes it more realistic to keep The Mtn. on in Utah for the Comcast execs

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by rebelfan1 on Aug 24, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

but it doesn’t sound like much of a benefit to me.

Comcast has to know that Utah St is not going to capture the SLC market and I would think they would renegotiate to pay out less money regardless (provided BYU goes indie). I just don’t see how you can make the same amount of money off Utah St as BYU. Maybe you lose less by adding Utah St, but then you also add another mouth to feed. At best, it seems like a wash financially.

by Smoove V on Aug 25, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a wash that kills the WAC.

If the WAC loses USU then they’re down to 5 schools (Hawaii, SJSU, LA Tech, NMSU and Idaho) with one already talking about going independent (Hawaii) and one already in the middle of two other mid-major conferences (LA Tech). With USU they have six and can have a two-year grace period to get back to 8 (so they’re safe until 2014). Without USU they have to get back to 6 by 2012, and they’re running short on options.

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by displacedute on Aug 25, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are We REALLY in Discussions to Add Utah State to the MWC? Seriously?

To be fair, I’m ignorant as to the details about Utah State’s football program. I was under the impression, fhough, that they have a middle-of-the road, at best, team in the WAC. And middle-of-the-road in the WAC equates to really bad most anywhere else, including the MWC. (I just went to the Utah State athletics Web site to check the results from the last couple of seasons and confirmed my suspicion.)

Please, someone, explain to me how adding a bad program, another bottom-dweller, is going to help the MWC achieve AQ status, which should be our over-riding goal in the expansion process. It appears to me that adding Utah State to the MWC is just going to move us backward.

Sure, it’s a good deal for them because they get out of a sinking ship. But the very addition of Utah State to the MWC diminishes our status, making it less of a good deal for them (but, still an infinitely—OK, that may be a little strong—better deal for them.) And don’t feed me any of this, “But it’s a good, natural rivalry for the U of XYZ” tripe. Rivalries don’t fit into the BCS criteria. We need proven results and good competition. I see neither of those when I look at Utah State.

The bottom line is, I don’t see the up-side for the MWC other than getting to 12 teams. But that’s 12 teams in a weakened conference. We need to be adding teams that move us toward our goal, not away from it.

I just read the post about the draconian penalty for leaving Conference USA that Houston would have to pay to move to the MWC (so they and UTEP are out in terms of expansion). But is Utah State really the best we can do?

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by SammyOBrien on Aug 24, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Your right, Utah State does bring down our stats

I have no idea why the MWC is talking to them. Wait until after BYU leaves before adding them. They keep the TV Infrastructure in Utah in place (Most of our TV money comes from there). If BYU stays, add Houston because they slightly help our BCS Stats and they improve our TV deal.

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by rebelfan1 on Aug 24, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm Not Trying to Be a Snob...

…but, I don’t see any situation in which adding Utah State to the MWC makes sense. If it hurts our TV money, re-negotiate the contract.

Fear the Frog!

by SammyOBrien on Aug 24, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Only was if they are the only team MWC can get to have a title game.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if it means a title game...

…do you think a title game outweighs the harm it’ll do to our BCS plans? (I don’t.)

Fear the Frog!

by SammyOBrien on Aug 24, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, Yeah...

@Jeremy — FeloniousMonk just pointed out to me that Utah State’s numbers won’t come into play for the BCS’s decision since they won’t start play in the MWC until 2012.

Bring on the title game!

Fear the Frog!

by SammyOBrien on Aug 24, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah-ha. I just found out where Logan, UT is

I didn’t realize it’s actually fairly close to Salt Lake City. I honestly thought it was way down in Southern Utah and kept thinking where is rebelfan getting all this TV infrastructure nonsense.

by Smoove V on Aug 24, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think USU would be in the MWC soon enough...

…for its numbers to count against the MWC’s BCS hopes. I could be wrong on that, but I’m pretty sure if they’re not in for 2011, they’re record(s) remain(s) part of the WAC. I suppose they could be in for next year, but that makes no sense since neither Fresno nor Nevada will be in until 2012 and that keeps the WAC viable for the next two years.

As for what positives they bring: they keep “the mtn.” in Utah, they keep the MWC in Utah and they bring a respected basketball program. If Comcast is pushing for market expansion of “the mtn.”, they certainly would rather not lose any existing customer bases or at least limit the loses. Also, they were once a well-respected football program, they’re getting better again and I think they’ll become a decent team in the coming years.

by FeloniousMonk on Aug 24, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good Points

Thanks, Monk. Now that you mention it, I think you’re right that their numbers won’t come into play for the BCS’s determination. OK…maybe they’re not such a horrible addition.

Every time somebody mentions Utah State, I think about the first game of the 1984 season, my sophomore year at TCU. TCU had been a Southwest Conference door mat for the previous 20-some-odd years. We beat the Aggies 63-18 to start our first winning season in forever on our way to our first bowl game in 25 years.

I know its antiquated, but I have a less-than-stellar experience of Utah State.

Fear the Frog!

by SammyOBrien on Aug 24, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with your post completely-

But ask, if not Utah State, Houston, or UTEP, then who? Who’s left? Hawaii? Other than Hawaii, I can’t think of anyone and Hawaii of course is a killer when it comes to travel- but teams would get the 13th game bonus to help offset that I guess…

Are there any other schools in California?

I would say that if Utah State comes in, the MWC is saying goodbye to ever achieving AQ status alone.

by Adrian Mac on Aug 25, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

San Jose St

would bring all the Cal-State Universities into one conference. They also give the MWC a bigger presence in a major TV market of SF bay area.

Except…San Jose St, is a terrible athletic program

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by Redhawk on Aug 25, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

SJSU is awful

and they don’t deliver the Bay Area, but I think you’re on to something with all the FBS Cal state schools being in a single conference.

Methinks if you attached some kind of trophy to the Cal-State rivalry (Golden State Cup?), you would capture market share in California. There is a huge alumni base between the 3 schools and a yearly rivalry might just be the thing that continually maintain interests.

by Smoove V on Aug 25, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that bad of an idea is it?

The Bay Area has a population equivalent to the entire states of Idaho, Utah, and New Mexico combined. California has roughly 5 mm more people then every other MWC state combined.

If The Mtn. needs TV sets, then California has `em. It’s just a matter of breaking that vice grip the Pac 10 has on the market. A Cal-State conference rivalry might be the trick.

by Smoove V on Aug 25, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

get your point

but SJSU is brutal in football as is Utah State but the Aggies to me have a bit more potential to be good. Plus I want Houston over both.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 25, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

If BYU leaves, I’m okay with this. If BYU stays, there will be no emoticon for what I’m feeling.

UTEP and Houston are both far superior choices should BYU stay.

by HawkeyedFrog on Aug 24, 2010 8:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Exactly what I've been preaching all along.

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by rebelfan1 on Aug 24, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  


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