NEW MWC
by Idle on Aug 19, 2010 7:13 AM PDT
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Print(Rank among 120 teams in 10 years since 2000 by winning percentage & average wins per year)
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Mountain Division (2 TX, 2 CO, 1 WY, 1 NM) |
West Division (2 CA, 2 NV, 1 UT, 1 ID) | |||||||
| 7 | Texas Christian | 77% | 9.5 | 1 | Boise State | 87% | 11.2 | |
| 46 | Air Force | 56% | 6.8 | 23 | Brigham Young | 65% | 8.1 | |
| 63 | Colorado State | 50% | 6.1 | 31 | Fresno State | 62% | 8.1 | |
| 70 | Houston | 48% | 6.0 | 72 | Nevada | 48% | 5.9 | |
| 72 | New Mexico | 48% | 5.9 | 103 | UNLV | 35% | 4.1 | |
| 99 | Wyoming | 36% | 4.2 | 106 | San Diego State | 32% | 3.8 | |
| 59.5 | Averages | 52% | 6.4 | 56.0 | Averages | 55% | 6.9 | |
I agree BYU is leveraging it's Independence to force MWC to deplete its' safety conference & expand to 12 teams. Houston is the obvious choice with UTEP getting some press & Tulsa being ignored.SMU & Rice are small private schools & MWC has enough private in BYU, Air Force & TCU.
Nevada & Fresno State joining MWC leaves only:
| 33 | Hawaii | 61% | 8.0 |
| 85 | Louisiana Tech | 43% | 5.2 |
| 94 | San Jose State | 39% | 4.6 |
| 108 | New Mexico State | 31% | 3.7 |
| 113 | Utah State | 27% | 3.1 |
| 114 | Idaho | 26% | 3.1 |
I think MWC teams biggest fear is sharing a conference with Division 1-AA upstarts like NM State, Utah State & Idaho. The MWC has fought to build a BCS conference to let former Big West teams drag them back down. The biggest loser in this is Hawaii because their football team has won 8 games/year in the 2000s & 6.5/year since 1980. I believe they will become an Independent when the WAC falls apart (do it sooner except for the $5 million buyout)
Big West abandoned football in 2000. LA Tech joined the WAC in 2001. New Mexico State & Idaho joined Sun Belt in 2001 then WAC in 2005. Utah State was so bad they became Independent in 2001, Sun Belt in 2003 & finally WAC in 2005.
The only thing the WAC has going for it is a possible $10 million from Nevada & Fresno State. More likely than Montana & Montana State joining the WAC from 1-AA, LA Tech replaces Houston in C-USA West & New Mexico State, Idaho & Utah State join Sunbelt as football-only members again & the Big West for all other sports. That would form a 12 team football league (South Alabama is starting a team next year so 13). San Jose State is stuck except to join Hawaii as an Ind.
Big IIX needs 2 more teams - C-USA East Southern Miss & Memphis? Big East needs 4 - C-USA East Central Florida, East Carolina, Marshall; Ind. Navy and/or MAC Temple? Could force C-USA & Sun Belt to merge and change everything again.
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Nice take
and I like the two hypothetical divisions you have shown. BSU would enjoy playing continueing our rivalries against Fresno and Nevada. And the chance to beat BYU would be great if they stay. Great if it could happen.
It depends on BYU. If they stay, we will probably go for Houston and become a BCS program, possibly lined up with the Cotton Bowl, which is looking to become a BCS Stadium as early as next year:
Yeah, its old but
Seems that the Cotton Bowl lost interest when ESPN got involved. But Rivals.com said earlier this year not to count out the Cotton Bowl gaining BCS status. The idea is back for the Cotton to go BCS perhaps as early as the summer of 2012. They noted that in a best-case scenario the Cotton Bowl wouldn’t be elevated to BCS status until 2014, but the point is that if it happened, it would make it all the easier for MWC to gain a BCS bid.
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1035184
I’m just being optimistic about the MWC chances of becoming BCS qualified if we have BYU and possibly Houston as members.
The Cotton Bowl would not be the home for the MWC.
I would look for the Cotton Bowl to take over as the Big 12-2’s BCS game and for the Mountain West to take over the anchor position in the Fiesta Bowl. The Cotton Bowl is played in Big 12-2 country at Jerry’s World (also known as Cowboys Stadium). The Fiesta Bowl has become a primary “BCS Buster” destination (Utah in 2004, Boise State and TCU in 2010) and is an easy place to get to for MWC teams.
This is correct
No doubt in my mind the Cotton Bowl would be the Big XII’s bowl, and the MWC would get the Fiesta. Old Southwest Conference fans (of which I am one) are quite nostalgic to play in the Cotton Bowl as it’s top game again, and for the Cotton Bowl to be properly restored to its place among the elite bowls.
by VA Libertarian on Aug 20, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I like most of this, except.....
There’s no way the Big XII takes C-USA teams. The Big East may try to, but that would really make a clusterfuck of a basketball conference (don’t forget that the Big East actually has 16 members, not 8). I don’t see the Big East expanding unless people start taking its current teams, and there’s no way the Big XII expands by taking C-USA teams – there’s just too little to be gained by that, and it would likely decrease the revenue per team there. The only Big XII expansion I could possibly see is trying to get Arkansas back (which isn’t happening) and/or maybe picking up BYU if they try to leave the MWC.
A few things can force a shakeup of the Big East
1) Someone deciding to really make a go for it with a > 12 football team BCS conference, and grabbing more than one Big East football member.
2) If the 10+ team conferences (especially the ACC and Big Ten) move to a 9 game schedule across the board, scheduling five non-conference games becomes very difficult, which could force expansion for football, and expansion for football would almost certainly force a split (the Big East having had a bad experience with football-only members in the past makes them reluctant to do it again, but the basketball conference cannot be expanded further).
3) If ND’s next TV contract offer is unattractive, and 9-game conference schedules make building their schedule as an independent difficult, they could end up joining the Big East for football no matter how much they dislike the idea.
4) If the Texas 10 disintegrates, snapping up the Big 12 North leftovers would make for an all-sports conference with amazingly good basketball, though that would mean splitting off from the non-football members as well (20-team Big East proposals notwithstanding).
But having said that, I’ve been expecting the Big East as presently configured to break up from the day the 8/16 setup was announced, and certainly to split in 2010 now that both halves of a split conference would be eligible for autobids in most NCAA tournaments. And I really believe that for all the talk this year about it, >12 team football conferences are fundamentally unworkable on a 12-game schedule.
Small Point . . .
Utah State is not a “I-AA upstart.” They’ve been a I-A program as long as I can recall and I’ve been following them for 40 years.
Utah State is a terrible football program. 3 winning seasons in the past 30 years:
1996 6-5
1993 7-5
1980 6-5
Verse Utah they’ve won 4 times (1983, 87, 96, 97) since 1980.
Verse BYU they’ve won times (1982, 93) since 1980.
Conference wise they were stuck in the Big West for 32 years until they gave up football & they became Independent because nobody wanted them then were allowed in the Sun Belt. Utah State only was allowed into the WAC because they had 6 teams in 2005 & needed 3 1-AA upstarts like Utah State, New Mexico State & Idaho to get to 9 teams.
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