An Independent BYU will Destroy the Mountain West
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With BYU now an independent in football the question then becomes, what happens to the rest of the MWC, including Boise State. With Utah and BYU gone the Mountain West is left with the following teams:
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
TCU
UNLV
San Diego State
Wyoming
Boise State
The first thing that happens is TCU calls the Big-12 and Conference-USA immediately. The Big-12 will say, "call us in two years." But the CUSA will welcome them with open arms. With Utah and BYU gone, there is no reason for TCU to stick around. CUSA's current teams are equal with the remnants of the MWC (except for BSU). So going CUSA is a given, their travel will be greatly reduced and they have more natural rivals.
At this point, Boise renegs and goes back to the WAC. Rumor has it they have until September 1 to change their mind and can return with no questions asked.
Air Force most likely joins their other service counterparts as an independent (and will continue to play BYU every year).
So now the MWC is left with CSU, UNM, SDSU, UNLV, and Wyoming. Undoubtedly, CSU, SDSU, UNLV and Wyoming give the WAC a call and join up. It is unlikely the WAC loses teams to the remnant of the MWC due to the recent financial penalty incurred on any team who leaves the conference. I am sure the WAC would take them. The WAC would have then following:
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
New Mexico State
San Jose State
Utah State
UNLV (giving a natural rivalry with UNR)
San Diego State (unifying the Cal State schools in one conference)
Colorado State
Wyoming
That is thirteen teams, and we still have New Mexico to discuss. Naturally, UNM could go to the WAC, and that is probably what happens. But consider the fact that Louisiana Tech is not sticking with the WAC long-term (it makes no sense being there in the first place). So they will jump ship and go to CUSA ASAP, bringing the WAC to 12 teams and thus, perfect...unless UNM joins up. My guess is UNM seriously considers following TCU to CUSA.
Currently CUSA has 12 teams and a championship game. They will undoubtedly accept TCU to bring the conference to 13, making the conference uneven and perhaps looking to add one more team. New Mexico makes sense. Albuquerque is a solid town, UNM has a great basketball program, and they would give UTEP a rival. It also wouldn't add travel distance versus the WAC considering they would have to travel to Hawaii, San Jose, and Moscow every year there. In CUSA, the farthest they travel would be Marshall or East Carolina.
This scenario brings CUSA to a 14 team conference. Shouldn't be a big deal. It also protects CUSA from future defections. It is no secret that the Big-East is investigating expansion scenarios and that Memphis, East Carolina, and UCF are the usual suspects being mentioned. Should the Big-East grab two of those teams, CUSA would simply be back to 12 teams and sitting just fine.
Sadly, BYU's decision inevitably destroys the Mountain West. I have developed a great affinity for the conference, I have great respect for and always enjoyed playing Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, and Air Force. Granted, as a Ute fan, these games are gone anyway, but I hate to see them getting screwed in all this.
(Swint is an editor at "www.holywarfootball.com"; A blog focusing on the Utah-BYU rivalry. This post was originally posted on that site.)
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So true
This a great conference on the rise, and if BYU decides to bolt it will screw it all up. I’d be sad to see such a great conference just die like that, when just a few months ago a BCS invite was all but mailed.
Yeah, it really is a shame.
The MWC is well poised for the BCS, especially if either or both Boise and TCU make the BCS / NCG. The MWC stock will continue to climb. I think there is probably more money out there for BYU as an independent in terms of annual income, but the BCS will be easier to crack as part of the MWC, especially once it gets auto-bid. Too bad indeed.
The BCS is probably thrilled and may just give BYU it’s Notre Dame status as a reward for subduing those pesky non-BCS conferences.
Ouch
At the end of the conference expansionpalooza I thought the MWC came out quite nicely. Now it looks like the MWC could get just as easily be torn apart…
Truthfully though, I really don’t think has as much validity as everyone thinks. BYU would be better off staying in the MWC and hoping for the auto bid to come in 2011. If that happens, then BYU gets 4 or 5 million dollars a year instead of the 1 or 2 they would make being independent. If they don’t get the auto bid 2 years from now, then it makes more sense to go independent and WAC at that point.
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UNLV is going all the way this year!
I agree with a couple of exceptions.
If BYU announces on August 31, Boise won’t have time to make a decision. That’s the least BYU could do for the MWC.
TCU might go back to CUSA with their tail between their legs, but they are NEVER EVER GOING TO THE BIG 12. There is absolutely ZERO incentive for the Big 12, no matter how many games the Frogs win. Unless they win 2 national titles in the next two years, they’ll be outside forever.
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totally agree on TCU and the BigIIX
TCU actually might be more valuable to the SEC as a partner school to Texas A&M if the SEC wants to get into the Texas markets and expand. Which I’m not convinced they really want to do (expand that is…they would love the Texas markets)
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they are already talking about tcu in the sec too. expansion to texas.
i would take tcu over texas a&m in a second.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 2 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
huh?
A&M has a larger enrollment, large Alumni base, larger fan following and is an AAU school on top of it.
A&M would still have to fight the Texas Legislature which is the issue.
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i could make a case that texas a&m is the most disappointing team in div. 1-a history and now fbs history.
they have one national championship in their whole lousy history . tcu has two. case closed.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 2 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
A&Ms
was more recent (and that was over 50 years ago!)
It’s about TV ratings..and A&M has a bigger following
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I think both are legit to the SEC.
ATM brings the tradition, TCU brings the victories and Dallas/Fort Worth. Granted ATM will be watched and followed there. But TCU actually brings the SEC teams to town which will give those schools free recruiting time when they are there for a game. TCU and ATM to the SEC is no brainer (unless of course Texas decides they want the SEC).
you need to goto team speed kills. they just came out with the forbes ranking of schools.
other than vandy and florida they suck. tennessee is at 483 and kentucky is at 507. that would be below division three schools. they don’t care about academics or merits of your school. they want championships and just think what kind of boost tcu would get from being in the sec. imo tcu would be very competitive. they are the fastest team in the mtn west.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The SEC wants tA&M and Va Tech
I don’t see TCU fitting in the plans, if for no other reason that adding two TX schools means realignment of the existing divisions in ways that LSU, UF and Bama wouldn’t be thrilled about.
Bama and UF don’t particularly want to play each other every year, all things being equal, and I doubt that LSU wants to trade Bama for TCU and A&M every year.
And a plan that can’t pass muster with those 3 is DOA.
Besides which, A&M secures just as many Texas eyeballs as TCU (alone) and VaTech gets the SEC into the Old Dominion, (though not as far east in VA as some SEC people suppose.)
None of this is a knock on TCU’s program, etc., I just don’t think they fit into SEC expansion plans. If I were Mike Slive, i’d want TAMU and VaTech.
In the bizarre case that UT-Austin comes knocking, I hope the SEC brass is wise enough to ignore it.
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by delicious.crab on Aug 19, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with your assumption that C-USA is a better home than a rebuilt WAC in your scenario. In fact I’d argue that adding TCU and Houston and even UTEP to the WAC makes it even more viable.
Except then you are right back at the 16 team conference that broke apart in the first place.
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That's just it. Teams are going to want stability.
At this point, I think the teams will focus regionally. Only the schools on the border (like New Mexico, TCU, etc. can really pick or choose. The bright side is, outside of Boise for a WAC without TCU, there is room for any number of teams to fill the power void. Inevitably, a couple of schools are going to build and be like Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise have been for the last few years. TCU in the CUSA will only help those teams develop as well.
If Conferences were made in a vacuum
I think the best conference that could be made from the remains would be
Colorado State
New Mexico
TCU
Houston
Air Force
UNLV
Wyoming
UN-Reno
Fresno St
San Diego St
Boise St
Hawaii
However, even that is not without problems. Idaho, Utah St, New Mexico St, SMU and San Jose St all with natural tie-ins to teams listed are left out.
And…conferences are not formed in a vacuum. The WAC locked their schools down from leaving with a $5million dollar buy out. There are too many trash teams in the WAC for the Mtn West teams to all go over (yes, I think the bottom of the MWC is better than the bottom of the WAC)
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Let's look at the facts
Fact 1: BYU Athletic Department denies it. Not surprising, everyone denies news that they don’t want coming out prematurely. However, their associate AD says there isn’t even a press conference scheduled which was part of the original report. He’s "playing golf" today, which by his own admission he would definitely not be doing the day before a major press conference.
Fact 2: CSU claims thier twitter account was hacked. This is really what started this whole buzz so if this is true go ahead and put this whole thing to bed right now.
Fact 3: Bronco Mendenhall says “I am not in the loop regarding anything. ….So if there is anybody, my guess is — and again, if there is — it is [athletic director] Tom Holmoe or [Associate AD for Communications] Duff Tittle. That would be where I would go. I have no idea what you are talking about.” If Bronco doesn’t know about it, it isn’t happening. The football coach has quite a bit of sway at the Y. Consider that Gary Crowton in his day got BYU to change their logo and wear the infamous "bib" uniforms. They made even Oregon look good in those unis. If the school will change their logo and uni for a bad coach, there’s no way they change conferences without his knowledge.
Fact 4: The sources being touted around are from a ‘person from Utah State with knowledge of the situation.’ FACT: There never has been, nor ever will be a person inside of USU with knowledge of what BYU is doing. BYU doesn’t even consider USU its little brother, more like an ugly second cousin better off avoided at family parties. If Bronco doesn’t know, there is roughly a -300% chance that some douche from USU knows something.
Fact 5: WAC officials are saying "No comment." DUH! BYU going to the WAC even without football would be a huge bonus for them. So if anyone is saying it might happen they’re not going to open their big mouths and deny it. They’re doing now exactly what the MWC was doing when the possibility seemed to be opening up for them to land Kansas and Missouri. They’re just waiting and hoping that somehow it happens.
Conclusion: This is all probably just the typical rumor mongering by the press set off by USU students hacking the CSU Twitter account and trying to bring any spotlight they can to the pathetic WAC. A more fitting name has never been devised for a conference. Admittedly I could be wrong, I mean I don’t have any ‘sources’ inside Utah State, but I really don’t see this happening right now. They might do it in the future, but I think it’s too early for them to do it.
by NC Ute on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The tribune is reporting it's a done deal.
They’re more of a reliable source than say . . . Chip Brown.
Regardless, I hope it happens, as I think it’s a huge mistake for BYU.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a big deal no question. I just don't see it happening.
BTW, the Trib is NOT that reliable of a source. They’ve been running stories about BYU and Utah joining the Pac 10 for years with no reliable sources. They also reported that Texas to the Pac 10 was pretty much a done deal. Considering it =|= done deal people. More reliable than Chip Brown? On the whole probably, but you can’t argue with Chip Brown on the Texas realignment stuff. He was spot on. The Trib has pretty much never been spot on in the last 3 decades as far as thier coverage of BYU.
The only logical reasons for BYU to even allow these rumors to continue is to try to show the Big 12 that they are a good target for expansion, or to try to force the MWC’s hand in working on a better TV package (or letting them persue thier own while staying in the league ala Texas.) Sure they MIGHT make more money going independent. But it’s not guaranteed and money is not everything. They’ve said themselves that exposure is what they’re worried about. Nothing gives more exposure than an autobid conference, much more than a tv station that no one watches. I mean, I’m even LDS and I don’t watch the station but twice a year for the churches general conference.
Everyone in Utah knows that BYU and thier fans would collectively give thier left nut to be in a BCS conference. Heck, they’ve been maklng eyes at the Pac 10 for a decade. So if BYU is in fact involved in the rumors, I say it’s posturing with very little possibility that they actually go through with it. It makes way more sense to try to get the MWC an automatic bid and force them to get a better TV package (which is really, really aweful) than to go independent.
At the end of the day if they do go ahead I say, gutsy call…STUUUUUUUUUUUPID, but gutsy.
its the jim delaney way of doing business. remember he said 12 to 18 months than a week later nebraska is invited.
you make good points nc ute.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 2 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
so glad...
that this “sky is falling” scenario didn’t take place…MWC looks to be coming out of this just fine…even if BYU goes independent. May not be in line for an automatic BCS bid, but certainly still very competitive, and in better shape than any other mid-major conferences out there.
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