OFFICIAL: Reaction To BYU Going Independent In Football With All Other Sports To Join The WAC
BYU is officially going to crawl back to the WAC in all sports and then flex their muscles by attempting to go independent in football. This is all according to BYU beat writer Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune:
BYU's move to leave the MWC, become a football independent and rejoin the WAC - which it belonged to for nearly four decades before departing with Utah and six other schools to joint the Mountain West - has been in the works for the past month, according to the source.
The main reason BYU is leaving is because of their dissatisfied with the television deal which includes games on The Mtn, CBS College Sports, and Versus. In theory the deal was a good one, but distribution never took off, and only the state of Utah had easier access to gain all three channels.
Now, BYU will be a part of the WAC in all sports which has deals with ESPN and that will be basically for basketball. This helps out the WAC in basketball quite a bit and there will be an instant rival with Utah State playing BYU twice a year and in the Spectrum which BYU has tried to duck the pass few years.
As for the schedule according to an ESPN article BYU would play at least a third of their schedule against WAC teams:
BYU would play four to six WAC programs in football every season, according to sources. The Cougars already play in-state rival and WAC member Utah State every season.
I know WAC commissioner Karl Benson is not an idiot which is why a stipulation would be put in place to play BYU against some WAC teams. BYU gets the edge by getting games most likely on ESPN and it helps them not have to schedule eleven games in football with Utah currently being the only given.
That would leave BYU anywhere from five to seven games at their leisure, but there could be a slight problem trying to get home and home with some good teams. I know BYU recently has home and homes with USC, UCLA, Arizona, Washington, Florida State, and Boston College. There was the two for one with Notre Dame, but I bet they could do a home and home with Navy which would be cool, and sometimes Navy.
The same ESPN article mentions that the Mountain West has reached out to Nevada, Fresno State, Houston, and UTEP to join the Mountain West. However, do not expect any WAC team to make a move any time soon since once Boise State left the rest of the league signed a deal that had a $5 million penalty for leaving within the next five years. Nevada and Fresno State have all ready rejected the Mountain West advances.
Back to the BYU point of view on this. First off they must have a deal with ESPN that would get them more money or at least very close to what they are getting now which is around $1.5 million a year. BYU gets to keep all of their bowl money and does not have to share with any other team. Getting bowl partnerships are now what is next and look for a scenario like what Notre Dame has with the Big East where they are a choice between the school and the conference affiliated team.
The Las Vegas Bowl would definitely want to get in with BYU since they have made a second home there the past few years, but would the Mountain West schools want to help BYU out in anyway to make their life easier. My first inclination is that BYU could get in line with some of the Big XII bowl games since they lost two teams and will need to keep their contracts.
As for the BCS bowls unless their is a special inclusion BYU is not guaranteed anything in getting into a BCS bowl game. Here are is the important rule that would affect BYU the most:
3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:
A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls
Unless the BCS will make rule changes for the current cycle (something I doubt) BYU will have to be so much better then the second team from any BCS league which not only includes being higher ranked, but also bringing in the fans which is what bowls really care about.
Now if BYU is to make a BCS bowl game they would be reaping in $6 million for being an at-large team, so there is incentive with that to go independent.
When the first rumor broke about this my initial thought is that this is a knee-jerk reaction to try to keep up with what Utah has done to avoid being left behind. I think BYU is jumping the gun on making this move so quickly. I am sure being independent could wait a few years to see the Mountain West landscape, and there is no way that the WAC could put their foot down and tell BYU now is the time. I think BYU was just moving too quick without thinking of the long term goals.
There are some big reasons for BYU to have waited until December of 2011 to make this decision. The first is that the Mountain West is very, very close to becoming a BCS league and with that comes the $20 million or so to be shared with the nine members in the league, recruiting would get a boost for being a BCS league, and the current television deal should get a bump in what they pay. The biggest and most important reason to stay for a few years is the merger between Comcast and NBC Universal. Comcast has a stake in the Mtn, CBS College, and Versus.
Once that deal is finalized who knows if the Mountain West would get games on NBC or CBS, and the CBS portion is all ready under way with the San Diego State vs. BYU basketball game being on over the air CBS. Even with that potential, BYU must be tired of waiting for the Mtn to be available on a more nation wide basis, and tired of waiting for a BCS berth that may or may not come to the Mountain West.
The money issue is not a problem, because BYU-TV which is in 80 million households and that media center on campus can do any and all sports in high definition. That will be their secondary television market behind whatever ESPN network that they will be on. There will still be a problem of people trying to find BYU-TV and Yahoo's Dan Wetzel brings a good point about BYU-TV:
Then games from South Bend are shown on NBC. That's worth it for USC and Texas and Miami and Michigan and just about anyone else Notre Dame decides to call. BYU-TV may have a promising future, but it isn't a major over-the-air network.
BYU would struggle to get major opponents to play on an in-house religious network - market penetration among South American missionaries doesn't do much for rival coaches seeking football recruits.As a result BYU-TV might wind up like the Big Ten Network, getting the leftover games - in this case the half dozen lesser opponents BYU would be forced to schedule.
In that case, how many new viewers is the football team really delivering to the LDS Church? And wouldn't the chance to stay the course and push for a highly publicized BCS bowl games be more beneficial?
My thoughts are with Wetzel about BYU-TV which is a lower tier religious network. He brings up some good points about trying to draw in teams for a game on BYU-TV, but the ESPN deal should be in place if BYU is able to get good teams to come to Provo.
If this is all about money I think BYU is good to go and made the right move, but what do their fans have to root for? A BCS bowl is very difficult as an independent and there is no conference championship to aspire to so when BYU is 2-2 in September which normally is the non-conference season. After that there is no BCS bowl game to look forward to or any conference title to aspire to. BYU puts pride on the fact that they have so many conference titles, especially under the LaVell Edward years where they dominated the 70's and 80's.
Plus, with maybe half of their schedule against WAC teams how much better will their schedule be. Playing Utah State, Nevada, Hawai'i, Fresno State, New Mexico State, Utah, and that is not a great schedule. They other games might be against some Pac-10 or Big XII teams and possibly an FCS team to get to twelve games.
The initial excitement of bringing in new teams will be a good thing for BYU fans, but again when half your schedule is against teams maybe equal and even less then their current Mountain West schedule will grow old after awhile. Unless BYU can get some good teams on the schedule will going independent in football be worth it.
Then there is this about Bronco Mendenhall not knowing what is going on with theindependent talk:
"I am not in the loop regarding anything. ....So if there is anybody, my guess is -- and again, if there is -- it is [athletic director] Tom Holmoe or [Associate AD for Communications] Duff Tittle," Mendenhall said. "That would be where I would go. I have no idea what you are talking about."
One note I forgot to include is that Boise State can return to the WAC without penalty if they choose to. It would be the same football league, so I still think they are better off competition wise staying in the Mountain West.
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If they don't want to be around...
good riddance.
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There goes the MWC’s Auto Bid…
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UNLV is going all the way this year!
yup
And maybe the league if Boise goes back to the WAC. A 7 team league can not be a BCS league
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by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
you have until Sept 1 and you can go back no questions asked.
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Is "we" Boise?
The rumor is that Boise can go back to the WAC for 2011 without penalty as long as they do it by Sept 1.
If that happens, the MWC dies immediately. No Boise, no Utah, no BYU means TCU bails for CUSA, the WAC steals UNLV, SDSU and CSU. AF goes independent, UNM follows TCU to CUSA, and Wyoming . . . well, Wyoming is screwed.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
CSU
would fight for Wyoming to come to the WAC…if there was a spot
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No, that's a 12-team WAC.
Boise
Idaho
Fresno
SDSU
SJSU
USU
CSU
Nevada
UNLV
LA Tech (although they may not be long in the WAC)
UNM
NMSU
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, so my math skills are rusty
But you forgot Hawaii and I think that AFA & Wyoming come along as well. Kick out LA tech and go with 14?
I did forget Hawaii, but I think Wyoming is screwed and AFA goes indy.
So kick out LA Tech and stick with 12.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but why would they do that?
Why would Houston and UTEP leave CUSA to go to the MWC without Utah/BYU/Boise?
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Two reasons
1. TCU
2. The prestige and ranking that has come with the MWC. It is on everyone’s mind and could help them long term.
Other than that, the TV deal is certainly not better.
More likely TCU goes back to CDOA than Houston/UTEP go to the MWC.
In my opinion. I suppose it’s possible the MWC survives this, but I think it’s unlikely. I think the MWC is dead if Boise decides to leave.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i think Boise stays
Football wise it is still an upgrade over the WAC
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by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 18, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The MWC name
is better than C-USA. If TCU stays they would be the marquee team. UNLV, UNM and CSU, even Wyoming are better than most of the schools as far as interest than the schools in CUSA Houston is the biggest and best in C-USA then SMU and UTEP…..and after that you go what…Rice? Tulsa (the 2 smallest schools in FBS)?
If Boise St joins the Mtn West, I think the MWC survives by becoming Texas-centric. However if they stay in the WAC, than the MWC dies.
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I should add (for what it's worth)
the real future of the teams left over in the MWC will be decided by the TV Executives. These smaller mid-major programs don’t have a lot of say in all this. If Fox national sports said they wanted teams X, Y &Z in a conference and would pay X amount of money, then the networks could decided who goes where.
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I agree with you on two fronts.
The MWC is better WITH Boise (although they’ll still probably go after Houston and UTEP, if not Fresno/Nevada), without Boise they’re dead.
Also, if Fox Sports calls the MWC and says they’ll double the TV deal in two years as long as Houston, UTEP, Nevada and Fresno are added, then that will happen whether the conferences really like the idea or not. Money talks.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't agree more
There are definite advantages, but I think they jumped the gun. Wait one more year and see what happens as far as the AQ for the BCS.
However, I can understand the rush when they feel like they are being left behind Utah. There is a huge difference between the 1.5 million in the MWC and 12 million in the PAC12. BYU can’t let that discrepancy stay for too long.
$12 to $18 million.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
so BYU
will have been part of taking apart two leagues. The first time with help from 7 others, but this time it was their idea.
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Why didn't BYU give the MWC a clue?
The MWC could have given the invite to Nevada and Fresno before the WAC implemented the $5 million exit clause?
I guess that would have hurt their new WAC buddies if they had given the MWC a heads up. Wait, they did give the WAC a heads up. That is why the WAC was smart enough to implement the exit clause.
Talk about going behind closed doors to screw the MWC. This is worse than what Texas did to the Big 12.
I don't think the WAC had to know about BYU in order to have the incentive to implement the exit clause.
byu does the independent route in 2011? 2012?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 2 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Indications are 2011.
Personally I hope the TV deal isn’t locked in for BYU until after the 2010 season, because they are going to get absolutely destroyed in MWC play. You thought Utah had a target on their backs? BYU just allowed Utah to waltz off to the PAC 10 without anyone being upset.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
that is an interesting way of looking at it. byu shoots itself in the foot.
i won’t cry.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 18, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That has to mean the earlier story about them turning the MWC down is false.
No way does the MWC announce the expansion if the answer is going to be “no”.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If Nevada and Fresno come I'm sure we will stay
They have a big buyout though… we ll see.
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Exactly, how are those schools going to pay $5 million?
I don’t see how that’s possible- I also don’t see why the MWC would tweet it unless they knew Nevada and Fresno would accept or have already accepted.
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Maybe they decided honestly was the best policy?
If you look at it long term it is probably beneficial for both of them to move… even if they are going in the red to do it.
Interesting idea: Is it possible for the MWC to pick up some of the check?
Old enough to know better, too young to care.
Absolutely it is possible
But that’s a lot of dough- I would doubt the MWC has anywhere near that to contribute. For Nevada and Fresno, with Boise gone, it’s a step up. Just stunned the MWC would move so quickly- usually the MWC is very patient in these situations. I also wonder if UTEP and Houston were asked to join first. Lots of conflicting reports out there…
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Agreed.
Who knows whats going on. Im not sure the MWC can afford the 10Mil either, but can they get enough down to get Nevada and Fresno on board?
I have learned MWC isnt real progressive, but Id go ahead and get all 4 of em. That would make 12 teams right? East/West maybe?
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Yep 12
TCU
New Mexico
Air Force
Col. State
Wyoming
UNLV
+UN-Reno
+Boise St
+Fresno St
San Diego St
=10
+Houston
+UTEP
=12
which is why they could go with 2 teams now, and 2 later if the details aren’t worked out today
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and on the flip side
this would leave the WAC with only 6 football schools:
Hawaii
Idaho
Utah St
New Mexico St
San Jose St
Louisiana Tech
And if that happens….there may not be a WAC for BYU to play in basketball!
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There also won't be a WAC to charge them a $5 million penalty.
That’s the bigger issue. If Fresno/Nevada leave, the WAC won’t exist so nobody has to pay the penalty.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I never thought of that
That’s interesting, Thompson could have pointed that out in the invitation.
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Now the WAC could save itself if it can get two rats to jump onto the ship.
But there are only 3 real options, and they’re all horrible:
Montana
LA Lafayette
LA Monroe
No CUSA or MWC teams are leaving, as it would seem like a step backwards, so the options are the Sun Belt and Montana. If the Sun Belt teams stay where they are, then Montana won’t be enough to save the WAC.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And if the MWC takes Houston and/or UTEP
then they could also get CUSA to take the LA teams, leaving the WAC without any options.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumor has it
That Nevada and Fresno did not sign the $5 million penalty contract.
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by givemesomemoore on Aug 18, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I would guess
that if they did have to pay that much, the MWC would be offering to pay at least part of it if not all of it. The MWC is up against the wall and has to have those teams. If the MWC doesn’t have the money…they’ll have to find it somewhere.
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What's really interesting about this
is it’s an official invitation, and from the MWConference that announced it. BUT…it’s not followed with and official acceptance from UNR and Fresno.
Usually nothing is officially announced on the invitation side until the official acceptance is also in hand, as a no one wants to look bad.
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According to ESPN, the announcement of acceptance will come tonight.
Or tomorrow.
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by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The best leverage chip in this whole thing is the non-BCS bowls.
If Fresno and Nevada go to the MWC, then the MWC would have far better bowl tie-in options than the WAC. That’s the best-case scenario for the 10 teams involved, which should be enough to make this happen. They could probably steal a bowl tie-in or two from the WAC to help make up for the (assumed) one fewer tie-in they’ll have with Utah and BYU both gone.
At the very least, they’ll keep the Poinsettia Bowl bid and the WAC will lose their bid to an at-large/PAC slot.

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