Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Explaining Jeremy Lin's Early, Surprising Success

RUMOR: BYU To WAC In All Sports With Football Going Independent

During the 2010 summer of conference realignment BYU's name was only mentioned in a fake tweet regarding them to the Big XII along side Air Force.  However, as for actual news BYU was not mentioned in any potential move to the Big XII or the Pac-10.  Earlier this month BYU Athletic Director Tom Holmoe talked with the media about a myriad of topics that ranged from the rivalry with Utah to the new media center that can broadcast online, worldwide, and in high definition.  He also mentioned that BYU had something big for the school, so is it more then the media center or is it something like this where they go to the WAC in all sports with football going off by their selves.

Now this rumor (and I heavily emphasis rumor) comes from some insightful people who have covered BYU for the Salt Lake Tribune and now work in local Salt Lake radio. Here is the audio from 1320 KFAN.  The BYU independent starts just under 15 minutes in, so fast forward to the good stuff.

On the surface this makes no sense, and my initial tweet about this rumor brought a lot of reaction just go here, here, and here for a sample.  However, after thinking about the move it actually can make some sense in the eyes of BYU.  For one if this rumor has any legs there will be an announcement this week because the WAC has a deadline of September first for a new member to join for the following season.  BYU could theoretically could join the WAC in all sports for 2011 and then be an independent for 2011 in football.

Star-divide

First off I think unless this has been in the works for a while I do not see it happening in 2011, but 2012 or later could make sense.  BYU AD Tom Holmoe has been talking about BYU keeping options open and always trying to make their situation better and this might be it.  A few reasons why this is a bad idea is that the Mountain West is dangerously close to becoming a BCS league and why would BYU leave the chance to be in a league that gets that extra money from being a BCS league.

The money is a boost being about $20 million for the BCS bowl game and a few million from the other bowls.  So, a conservative estimate is $22 million for all the bowls, and that comes out to $2.44 million per team which is huge for this league.  When you include the television money the annual total comes out to be about $4 to $5 million.  The only way BYU leaves this year would be because they are going to be assured of getting at least that much money from a television deal.

Getting anything close to that by getting off of the current Mountain West deal that includes little known stations as Versus, CBS College, and the Mtn will be worth that.  The reason BYU could get away by being an independent is because of that on campus media center that can broadcast anything in HD for BYU-TV.  That channel is also available on the basic packages for Dish Network, DirecTv, most basic cable packages, it is available internationally, and online.  Take a look at their coverage map, and it is just slightly better then their current deal. 

To go independent in football BYU better have something going on with ESPN and then possibly Fox Sports while BYU-TV could show home games that are not picked up by ESPN or Fox Sports for football.  The problem about this in the short term is scheduling for football because getting eight teams on the schedule in about a year's time is very tough.  Now trying to get Utah on the schedule for 2011 is a little easier with BYU having more open dates, but the location is still an issue.

Now, BYU could probably get most of the teams to stay on the schedule due to those teams would also be scrambling to find an opponent, but I would think some teams would screw BYU and drop them.  One huge thing to consider is would WAC commissioner want BYU back sans football.  It is a fair question since BYU was once part of the WAC and left with seven other teams over a decade ago in a secret meeting at some airport to make the Mountain West Conference.

I would think Benson would have to say yes because by having BYU in the league even without football is a major boost for the WAC's profile.  Basketball would be much better with another solid team to go along side Utah State, Nevada, and the occasional good Fresno State team.

Benson should try to milk this for all its worth and tell BYU that they can join without football but make them have to schedule two or three WAC teams every year, or something along those lines.  That helps both teams because there would be one less game for BYU to schedule. 

The other logistics would be getting bowl arrangements and would they be better then the current Mountain West deal. They probably could get something like Navy or Notre Dame where they are an alternate choice between a league or themselves.  Perhaps the Insight.com bowl (is that the name), Texas Bowl, Las Vegas bowl would be interested, as would maybe the Holiday or Poinsettia Bowl.  BYU probably could try to align with the Big XII since they lost two teams and be an alternate option there.

As for the BCS there is no way BYU is any better off then they are now, because they are not going to get a sweetheart deal like Notre Dame has.  BYU would still have to qualify under the current criteria for the non-BCS schools.  The upside is that if the make a bowl they keep all the money with the only exception being for a BCS bowl where they would get a share equal to a second team qualifying from a conference which last year was $4.5 million, but that is still huge money.

Another question to ask is would the fans like it? 

BYU prides themselves on conference titles and they would lose that chance in football.  The first five years or even a decade would seem cool by being able to schedule better teams then most of their current Mountain West conference mates.  How realistic could BYU get even mid level teams to do home and homes on a consistent basis.  They did get Florida State, Washington, and Boston College in recent years, and Notre Dame did a two for one a while back.  The schedule would presumable be an upgrade and just getting new teams into LaVell Edwards would make the fans happy.

One last thought to consider is why not just join the WAC full time and be what Boise State was for so long?  The exposure would be increased but it would be seen by outsiders (and even locally) that BYU was ducking competition to get to a lesser league to just become a BCS league.

In theory the idea of being an independent in football and a member of the WAC is a solid idea, because the Mountain West would not allow it and going independent in all sports is a logistical nightmare.   My opinion is that BYU should wait to see if their league become a BCS league, because the money would be improved, and odds are that their television deal could be reworked since they are a BCS league.

Also, do not forget that over the air CBS is broadcasting a Mountain West regular season basketball game, and who knows if that would carry over to football.  Plus, with the mega deal between Comcast and NBC Universal who knows what type of deal or where these games could be on.  It is a real possibility that the Mountain West could have games on CBS and/or NBC with that merger.  It is a long shot, but they got hoops on CBS so who knows.

BYU should just be patient in this and not rush things so soon, because the future could be much brighter for BYU staying in the Mountain West by possibly becoming a BCS league and the television stuff I just mentioned.  I did not even get into the possibility of going to the Big XII when they will eventually go back to twelve teams.

Follow Mountain West Connection via Twitter and Facebook for News Quick Hits and Random Nonsense.

Comment 25 comments  |  Add comment  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

BYU is in no rush.

Going Independent has been a researched idea in BYU’s Athletic Department since 1999.

Obviously, heating up as of late the past few years with the landscape of college athletics changing. But BYU could make it work as an Independent.

Do I want to see it as a fan? No. I enjoy seeing my team battle for Conference titles. Playing “name” opponents doesn’t do it for me. As much as some people dog playin the likes of Wyoming, CSU or whoever in this MWC. BYU has history with these teams, and I would hate to see history go away. But ultimately I want what’s best for BYU, but I think the best case scenario is see what plays out with the BCS. This league seems so close, that it would be foolish on BYU’s part to declare Independence now.

Should make for an interesting few weeks.

A BYU insider for decades, H.B. Arnett who runs Cougar Sportsline is proclaiming that BYU will declare its going Independent by September 1st.

by BYUmitch on Aug 17, 2010 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

An independent BYU seems like it’s more about vanity than any sound reasoning. BYU is not Notre Dame- getting to the national championship is in no way a reasonable goal to set. BYU is also not Army or Navy, their fan base demands more than just a chance to go to a bowl game every year. If BYU is going to get to a BCS game, they need the MWC, and if they’re going to get to the BCS title game, they need the MWC. The MWC could probably add a couple of other expansion targets, Houston as a companion for TCU and perhaps Fresno State as a Boise buddy and be about at the threshold of AQ status like they are now. BYU has a sweet deal now, and if they compromise that because they’re jealous of Utah’s new digs the only way around it is to get better, go to BCS games and become so valuable that a conference can’t help but add them.

by HawkeyedFrog on Aug 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

On-The-Field success is not the issue at BYU

BYU has the tradition and the success on the field, that any conference would want BYU. And BYU thrives in basketball and the olympic sports. Utah didn’t get into the Pac-10 because of two BCS wins. Don’t kid yourself.

Remember Sport Magazine? They had Robbie Bosco on a cover in ’85 saying BYU should be in Pac-10 at that time. But because BYU is a faith-based institution they never get in and never will get in to the PAC or BIG XII. It is what it is.

I like BYU as a MWC member, and I truly think its the best situation for BYU.

The timing does bother me because it looks like were trying to react to Utah’s PAC move. BYU shouldn’t even be phased by something like that. Who knows honestly. Maybe they see something developing in the near future in conference realignment that none of us or in the media know about.

by BYUmitch on Aug 17, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any conference would want BYU? I must respectfully disagree, as both the Pac-12 and Big X turned down the BYU option. BYU being a faith based institution has little to do with Big X membership, as Baylor is also a faith based institution It’s much more to do with BYU not bringing enough extra cash to the conference to justify a renegotiated TV contract that will keep Texas fat and happy.

I hope BYU stays, it’ll be much easier with them than without them, and as I grew up next to a Mormon family, BYU vs. TCU discussion has been a part of my life since the SWC before we even played.

by HawkeyedFrog on Aug 18, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

CSUFootball tweeted that a press conference has been called for BYU to leave the WaC

BYU to go independent in football in 2011. Cougars will join the WAC for all other sports. Press conference scheduled for Thursday.

Colorado Rockies correspondent at My Team Rivals (www.mtrmedia.com/rockies) and my own site Rockies Reporter (www.rockiesreporter.wordpress.com) and one of the top Rockies writers at the Bleacher Report.

by Redhawk on Aug 17, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

found it

not sure if I am buying this, well at least from that source.

Mountain West Connection The best site for MWC sports!

by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

this to me is a big move for BYU to declare they are available to join a BCS conference, like the 12-Pac…or the Big 12 lite

Colorado Rockies correspondent at My Team Rivals (www.mtrmedia.com/rockies) and my own site Rockies Reporter (www.rockiesreporter.wordpress.com) and one of the top Rockies writers at the Bleacher Report.

by Redhawk on Aug 17, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not buying this until Chip Browns selling it...

Just can’t get too excited about a sports radio show when it comes to a topic as major as conference realignment.

by Adrian Mac on Aug 17, 2010 10:05 PM PDT reply actions  

it has been picked up by espn

Andy Katz wrote something about as did College Football Talk, but of course well after my initial tweet and CFT mentions one hours after my post (whatever)

Mountain West Connection The best site for MWC sports!

by Jeremy Mauss on Aug 17, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Source

I have not received permission to divulge information, but this is not a paper tiger. It has more weight than just rumor at this point.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Aug 17, 2010 10:39 PM PDT reply actions  

When it officially breaks

someone really needs to write up an article explaining “WHY” for this. And another on what happens to the Mtn West Conference now and it’s future.

Colorado Rockies correspondent at My Team Rivals (www.mtrmedia.com/rockies) and my own site Rockies Reporter (www.rockiesreporter.wordpress.com) and one of the top Rockies writers at the Bleacher Report.

by Redhawk on Aug 17, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Source confirms:

An emergency WAC meeting has been conducted this evening and was voted unanimously they have approved BYU membership.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on Aug 17, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sheer stupidity

BYU leaving the Mtn West at this juncture is at best bravado, and at worst sheer stupidity. They are never going to get a deal like Notre Dame has, and despite what all the homer talking heads in Provo have been saying, this is a move that will hurt BYU in both the short and long run. Memo to BYU: STAY IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST! You’re only chance to be in a BCS league is to help the MTN become an automatic qualifier.

by NC Ute on Aug 18, 2010 4:32 AM PDT reply actions  

This just makes absolutely no sense

I’m in such awe of the stupidity I can’t even articulate why. Just… look at ND and their problems. They will not get another decent TV deal at the rate they’re going. And sorry, but BYU is not ND. Split conference memberships simply should not be allowed for revenue sports.

by commodore_dude on Aug 18, 2010 5:27 AM PDT reply actions  

BYU won't leave...

Unless they get a better TV deal than they currently have. We are all assuming they are leaving and that it is a gamble. If BYU gets a good deal, and leaves, then it isn’t a gamble.

If they leave. Tank. And any future TV deals fall through, the MWC will still take them back. They will be looking to add the Utah market to their conference since Utah is already gone.

BYU is taking absolutely no risks here other than a possible hit to how competetive they will be. And joining a weaker basketball conference for the time being.

But let’s be honest. Competition is not really a consideration in any of these decisions.

I don't pour beer on Max Hall's family often, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

by jim2 on Aug 18, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think it's a money gamble.

I’m 100% sure BYU can make more money outside of the MWC. That’s been the case for 20 years at least. The bigger issue as a fan is the competition issue. Are BYU fans happy their team becomes irrelevant by going independent, even though now it makes more money? I have a sense that the answer is “no”.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is just stupid

Does BYU really think they can get a Notre Dame type deal ? Seriously ?

by Gokyle45 on Aug 18, 2010 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Notre Dame type BCS deal? Yes.

Notre Dame type TV deal? No. BYU will not make anywhere near Notre Dame-type money with their new TV deal. But could they get the same BCS deal as Notre Dame? Sure. It doesn’t matter, because to be in the top 8 BYU will have to be undefeated. So basically the rule remains the same for BYU: Undefeated, BCS; 11-1 or worse, Vegas (or worse).

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

ND only makes 13 million on it's TV deal with NBC

so…if BYU keeps all the profits and does the TV in house, they could be close to what ND is making now

Colorado Rockies correspondent at My Team Rivals (www.mtrmedia.com/rockies) and my own site Rockies Reporter (www.rockiesreporter.wordpress.com) and one of the top Rockies writers at the Bleacher Report.

by Redhawk on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is absolutely no way that happens.

All profits in house won’t happen, because ESPN will be broadcasting at least 4 of their home games for $6 million. So BYUTV gets the dregs of two WAC games which will draw an average TV audience of about 1.1. Guess what the advertising revenue will be for those two games? Almost nothing. It will be enough to break even on the production costs, I imagine, but they won’t make much money.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

they only need to make $4million

to get to $10million a year..which is close to what ND is looking at in their next TV deal. I think $4million isn’t too far off if they can capitalize on the world wide audience on the internet.

Colorado Rockies correspondent at My Team Rivals (www.mtrmedia.com/rockies) and my own site Rockies Reporter (www.rockiesreporter.wordpress.com) and one of the top Rockies writers at the Bleacher Report.

by Redhawk on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Notre Dame makes $13 million right now.

BYU is not going to get anywhere near Notre Dame money. If BYU is worth as much as Notre Dame then I’m the King of Siam.

So let’s say ESPN is paying $6 million for the 4 home games. The remaining two games are likely against Weber State and San Jose State. They’re worthless.

Not to mention that the ESPN games in Provo, BYU will have to pay $750k-$1 million to get those teams to play in Provo (excluding Utah). That’s an expensive bargain, likely costing them $4 million a year to get 6 home games.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

there are payouts

for games even in conferences. They become a wash when talking about home and away series, with teams on similar levels.

the issue will be just filling the schedule with teams that fans want to pay a season ticket for and people would want to watch on TV. For example BYU has a home and away series with Texas coming up…but they can’t move that to say October, as UT will be in Conference play…as will every other BCS conference team.

I think $10 seems about right for BYU for TV as a ball park number when you add in ESPN and BYUTV. And yeah, ND’s is looking to go down when their contract is up with NBC as their ratings have gone down.

10 mill…is alot more than 1.5 mil from the MWC

Still…I’d hate to be a fan of BYU right now. My team maybe going to make more money, but they just took a harder road to a BCS bowl, and no the headline game on the schedule is BYU vs Idaho.

Colorado Rockies correspondent at My Team Rivals (www.mtrmedia.com/rockies) and my own site Rockies Reporter (www.rockiesreporter.wordpress.com) and one of the top Rockies writers at the Bleacher Report.

by Redhawk on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think $10 sounds like a lot, but maybe. That's the ceiling.

But the payouts for BYU won’t be with even-level teams. Yes, the big teams who are doing a home and home won’t require a payout, but the WAC teams that are doing a home and home will require a payout from BYU in the $500k range, and any 1-and-dones (say IAA teams) will be $750k or higher. This will cost BYU more money than being in a conference (there’s not a payout for conference games because there’s no breaking the contract).

Regardless, they’ll make more money. But I’m with you, they’ll have more money and fewer wins with nothing to play for.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 18, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  


User Tools

Welcome to the Mountain West Connection we are dedicated to all things MWC. For Convenience follow us @ JeremyMauss via twitter.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
WAC That Should've Happened
Werder_small
Navy, the Big East and the "giant sucking sound"
Werder_small
"Dissolve" MW and C-USA and re-form?
Werder_small
The Mtn.: Get Active
Hillbillies_small
bowl pick'em second round results and third round format
Hillbillies_small
bowl pick'em round one results
Werder_small
New AD Jack Graham has big plans for CSU
Werder_small
2012 CSU Rams Helmet Concept Re-Design - Vote Now!
Hillbillies_small
come one, come all. second chance to be the top picker.
Nevada-logo3_small
Pick 'em Postseason - New Format (All Players Welcome!)

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Jer_small Jeremy Mauss

Authors

Pro-nedna-twitter-icon01_small Sam (sdsuaztec4)

6061-1_1__small rebelfan1

Img_0065__1__small greekpadre

Bsu_logo5_small bluesyourdaddy

Tcuflag_small Ben Findley

Commander_in_chiefs_trophy_small airforcetwo

Nevada-logo3_small pack_fan

Nevada_wolf_pack_logo_small WolfpackNev

007_small Chris Holly Taylor

Werder_small jitmon

Capo_small Anthony Capobianco