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Debunking a Myth - MWC is Weak at the Bottom

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Ever since the advent of the BCS, those conferences with automatic BCS bowl bids have considered themselves a step above those without.  By and large, the rest of the country bought it.  Whether they pointed to rankings, facilities, athletes, fanbase, wins or anything else, conferences like the Big 12 and SEC were just inherently better, even if their chosen criterion didn't actually support that claim.

As time has gone on, teams like TCU, Utah, Boise State and BYU have risen to national prominence, often competing with and beating blue-blooded programs such as Alabama, Michigan and Oklahoma.  The non-BCS leagues, especially the Mountain West, began to rightly say that their teams are just as good as any other conference's, and that they deserve equal treatment.  The BCS, intent on keeping the status quo, could no longer rely on the unquestioned idea that their schools were superior.  The fall back position has become that every team in their cadre is a quality program, while the lesser-prominent teams in non-BCS leagues were of such low quality that their presence made the entire conference unworthy of inclusion into their elite club.  This has been accepted by most people as a valid reason.  After all, who thinks a program like UNLV or Colorado State is even close to schools like Texas A&M or Cincinatti?  Unfortunately for BCS fanboys, the numbers tell a very different story.

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With a non-conference lineup consisting mainly of patsies trucked in to take a beating and collect a paycheck, the win-loss records of some teams in the BCS have become inflated.  A mediocre team, going 4-4 in their own conference, can look like a pretty solid team when they play and beat 4 miserable teams, quite often from the FCS, and end the season 8-4.  So looking at straight win-loss records doesn't give an accurate picture of the quality of a team.  However, if we standardize the set of matchups we look at, say to out-of-conference teams in the 6 BCS conferences and Notre Dame, it provides a much clearer and direct comparison from which we can determine the validity of the idea that the weak teams in the Mountain West are weaker than the rest.

Within the past 10 years, the bottom 5 Mountain West teams have fared about how you would expect:

Team Record
Colorado State 8-15
UNLV 5-13
Wyoming 5-14
New Mexico 5-16
SDSU 0-22

 

The BCS has routinely pointed to these numbers as evidence that these teams aren't ready for full-time inclusion in the BCS. They are all losing records, and just look at how horrid SDSU is, with 0 wins.  For comparison, here are a few BCS teams and their non-conference BCS records over the past 10 years:

Team Record
Arizona 0-9
Mississippi State 1-6
Duke 2-15
Baylor 3-6
Cincinatti 3-11
Texas A&M 3-13
Ole' Miss 4-7
Arkansas 4-8
Indiana 4-11
Stanford 4-12
Colorado 4-16
Washington St. 5-9
Illinois 5-14
Alabama 8-7

 

Surprising, isn't it?  Some names on this list are completely expected.  Nobody is going to claim Duke is a football school or that Baylor is a powerhouse, but if I had said Arizona lost every non-conference BCS game it's played in the last decade, would you have believed me?  Cincinnati, one of the elites in the Big East, is a mere 3-11.  Texas A&M, who it's rumored the SEC wanted to steal away, and who the shrinking Big 12 paid big bucks to keep around, is a pathetic 3-13.  Even Alabama, last year's national champion and one of the winningest programs in all of college football, is barely above .500 at 8-7, and that is including 2 wins it has since had to vacate due to NCAA sanctions.

Unless your conference is full of exact clones with identical records (I'm looking at you, ACC), then there will be a bottom of your conference.  The Mountain West has a bottom to their conference, but it is ignorant to say that it is significantly worse than the bottom of any other conference out there.  With that myth debunked, I wonder what lie the BCS is going to prop up as a reason to keep the MWC out.

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They go by their computer numbers.

According to the BCS computers, SDSU/UW/CSU/UNM/UNLV are some of the absolutely most god-awful programs in existence over the last 4 years. All 5 of them are below 80, if I remember correctly, and UNLV/SDSU are both below 100. UNM probably is now, after that 1-11 performance, and CSU didn’t help themselves. The computer numbers are horrific.

That said, I agree with you. The bottom of the MWC is not as bad as the BCS honks say it is, but it is worse than the bottom of most BCS conferences.

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by displacedute on Jul 30, 2010 2:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd place the bottom half of the MWC up against the bottom half of any other non-BCS conference, for sure.

So I’d see the MWC bottom end as somewhere between the other non-BCS leagues and the BCS leagues themselves.

;-)

by David Hooper on Jul 30, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

bama is really interesting at 8-7 b/c they get almost all their big games at home.

v.t. last year and penn state this year.another thing about the sec is they always have at least 7 home games and 5 road games. florida gets 8 home games(as does bama in most years)and the fsu game is played in jacksonville. a neutral site. i hate to bash on the gators since urban meyer is the coach but the truth is they are by far the least travelled team in the nation. fresno logged 24,000 miles last year. the gators under 3700. even the team speed kills blog says florida needs to play some west coast teams.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Before Florida was least traveled, the title belonged to Georgia.

They’ve had multi-year stretches where their OOC slate never left the state, IIRC.

But wasn’t Alabama / VTech in Atlanta?

I wouldn’t mind seeing more of the SEC use Tennessee’s model of schedule the marquis matchups as home-and-away. But I’ll give Florida a little grace because of the Florida State game. If FSU ever gets back to relatively decent FSU levels, that game is tough enough to warrant not scheduling more hard ones.

by David Hooper on Aug 2, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think georgia goes to colorado this year?

another thing i wish the sec would do is play the sunbelt conference less. i’ll give you a stat that will blow you away. lsu plays ull (university of louisiana lafeyette) something like 10 or 11 times in about a 15 year span. the combined score in those games was roughly 512 to 42. that is alot of goose eggs for ull or 3 points scored in many of the games.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 3, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Georgia's OOC schedule improved significantly when their now-former AD took the reigns.

Before him, Dooley was allergic to out-of-state traveling.

I’d like to see the SEC get away from the sun belt a bit as well, but it’s not going to happen. For one, it’s very profitable for both ends. The SEC gets wins and full attendance, and the sunbelt money stays in the same states as the SEC. In short, they’re cheap win cashcow games that keep all the money local.

LSU has a couple of particulars. For one, the Tulane game is something of a longstanding rivalry, even though it’s incredibly lopsided. UL-Laf is similar, though it’s not quite as intense for some reason. But the state of Louisiana loves to keep LSU in their own borders to play as many games as possible, even if they’re utter blowouts.

It’s not good football from a neutral POV, but, like everything in La., it’s driven by the money behind the scenes.

by David Hooper on Aug 5, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

So true

Every league has bad teams that are comparable with the MWC, but I think the MWC has more bad teams then other leagues which is why the overall average is bad.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 30, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Until SDSU can consistently beat FCS opponents they are weak.

UNLV and New Mexico are not much better. These three are far worse than any BCS member.

And receive millions less in revenue from those conference ties. Much of the difference is pure economics.

CSU is way down and will either join those three or bounce back soon. Wyoming and Air Force are very under rated nationally. Much like the middle of any conference is. Nationally, people really only look at the top.

And the top of the MWC is strong. Even with the membership changes.

Once they earn a BCS automatic qualification, and the increased TV revenue that validation will generate, the remaining teams will have the budgets to pass BCS members content with their lot.

Or be content with their lot and be the Duke of the MWC. They will be a little better because slightly better facilities will now be in the budget.

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by utesfan100 on Jul 30, 2010 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

What does it look like if you restrict it to the years in the upcoming BCS evaluation?

And if you restrict it to regular season only since the BCS doesn’t look at bowl games?

Since BCS teams tend to play fewer BCS non-con opponents, we’d probably have to look more at the averages. But is it convenient enough to look at the bottom half of every league and compile their BCS OOC records for the last three years?

Either way, an interesting observation. Kudos.

;-)

by David Hooper on Jul 30, 2010 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Just 2 years...

There’s only 2 years of data for this current iteration of BCS evaluation (2008 and 2009). However, that data looks REALLY good for the MWC so far. Here’s how our “bottom 6” look over the past 2 years against BCS teams outside of bowl games:

Air Force: 0-1
Colorado State: 1-2
New Mexico: 1-3
San Diego State: 0-2
UNLV: 2-1
Wyoming: 1-2

For the bottom of the conference, this is pretty impressive. In this category, the MWC only has 2 winless teams, whereas The Big 12 has 3, The SEC 4, and the Pac-10 and Big Ten have 5 winless teams each.

If you compile the regular season, out-of-conference BCS records of the bottom 6 teams of each conference, it reveals just how strong the bottom of the MWC is in comparison:

MWC: 5-11 (.313)
Pac-10: 1-14 (.067)
Big 10: 3-16 (.158)
SEC: 2-10 (.167)
Big 12: 4-12 (.250)
ACC: 7-15 (.318)
Big East: 13-11 (.541)

These stats are interesting. The “power” conferences are at the bottom, while the “weak” conferences are at the top. Regardless. The MWC comes outta this looking amazing. It’ll be interesting to see what this looks like next year at this time.

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by mbennett427 on Aug 16, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blast

Sorry, I got a few numbers wrong. That Big 10 number is for 8 teams, and the ACC number is for 7 teams. These are the correct numbers for 6 teams:

MWC: 5-11 (.313)
Pac-10: 1-14 (.067)
Big 10: 1-14 (.067)
SEC: 2-10 (.167)
Big 12: 4-12 (.250)
ACC: 6-14 (.300)
Big East: 13-11 (.541)

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by mbennett427 on Aug 16, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm really surprised that UNLV has the best record against BCS Schools

in the past 2 years. Hopefully they will make that 4-1 this coming season.

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by rebelfan1 on Aug 18, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Write Up...

Definitely should show that to someone who will have a say in the lawsuit against the BCS. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, I’m basically talking about when the MWC is not awarded and AQ for some ridiculous reason, this will go to court and if these numbers are shown, it takes away Bill Hancock’s excuse that the bottom of the BCS Conferences are better than the bottom of the MWC.

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by rebelfan1 on Jul 30, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

it will help if utah just runs up the score on pitt. utah has never lost to a big east team.

pitt twice when they win the first game. i’m that confident. louisville twice and south florida. i would put syracuse vs new mexico or sdsu on a neutral field and i bet one of them wins.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  


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