BYU's Athletic Director Meets With The Media About BYU Expansion
BYU Athletic Director Tom Holmoe met with reporters for over an hour the other day with the media, and there was a ton of good information he shared with everyone. Topics ranged from the new media center that is suppose to be awesome with everything on BYU-TV in high definition, Utah to the Pac-10, BYU expansion options, and the rivalry with Utah and BYU. The majority of the discussion was about expansion and what BYU plans to do to improve their situation by either going independent, making overtures to the Big XII, or staying pat in the Mountain West by making the best of it.
The Utah rivalry was a hot topic as well and it seems that both sides want this to continue:
As far as continuing its rivalry with Utah, Holmoe said BYU wants to continue to play the Utes in all sports if that is at all possible. He said he didn't want to speak for Utah athletic director Chris Hill, but that the vibe he has gotten from Hill is that the Utes want to continue playing BYU as well. Utah is "a great partner of ours" and "we had a great rivalry," he said, adding, "That's sad that it will change."
'Had a great rivalry' is a mild concern that Holmoe used the past tense regarding Utah vs. BYU. However, this game will not change it will always be played and most likely at the end of the season, and if it is interrupted for any amount of time it would be a mistake. Florida State plays Florida at the end of the season, and with more and more conference games being pushed into the first few weeks of the season there should be no issue making the BYU vs. Utah game a Thanksgiving weekend game. Even in that scenario BYU will be on Utah's schedule each and every year with the possibility of the game being early in the year. If the game were to be played at the beginning of the year how cool would it be to have this game open this season.
The week leading up to the game, but how about an entire off season and more specifically a full month of smack talk leading up to a game that should be played either on a Thursday, Friday, or even a Monday night game to get some nice national exposure to an otherwise game that is often over looked.The only way it might not be played in the short term would be if the Pac-10 goes to a nine conference schedule where Utah is unable to shift a non-conference game around to fit in BYU.
Now onto the a very odd question that was asked in this session.
[Holmoe] was asked specifically if BYU will agree to a two-for-one football arrangement with Utah -- two games in SLC for every one game in Provo -- if that is what it takes to keep the series going, Holmoe said, "I don't think we would do that." He said he and Hill "have had conversations about making [football games in the future] happen, not [about] not making it happen."
While, Utah is going to be in a power league they do not have the clout to do a two for one, especially since the teams are not really that much different in their success of the past decade. Utah probably could do a two for one with Utah State but they do not, yet BYU did a two for one with Utah State in football. This will never happen, even Colorado and Colorado State play at a neutral site at Mile High stadium (or whatever it is called where the Broncos play), with the loan exception of last year with Colorado squabbling over not having six home games so they played in Boulder. That is the only example I have off the top of my head that has a game that is truly a rival which separates teams from a BCS league and a non-BCS league team.
However, after hearing the audio the question was not not saying that BYU would do a two for one with Utah, but rather have BYU visit Utah two years in a row in 2010 and 2011 due to scheduling issues. The reasoning behind that is because of Utah's current non-conference schedule in 2011 has road games at Boise State and Pitt. It also depends if the new Pac-10 goes to eight or nine conference schedules. Utah currently has Oregon at home on the schedule for 2011, but that game may not be played or will be a conference game.
If the schedule is nine games then Utah would have to most likely either buy out Boise State or move the game to another year and keep the game in Provo against BYU and that would be the simple answer. If the conference schedule is eight games then Utah could easily add BYU, but that would mean Utah would have three non-conference road games and only five total home games. Five home games for a Pac-10 school at any level is unacceptable, and I can not recall the last time a Utah football only had five home games.
So, Utah will have to either figure out a way to entice (with cash) BYU to play two road games against their rival, buy out Boise State or move the game which could mean paying Boise some money and most likely paying a Weber State of another FCS school to take the place of Boise to have six home games, and the worst case scenario is not having BYU on the schedule for a year. 2012 has a similar scenario with Colorado scheduled as a road conference game, but that can easily be swapped for BYU, and could give the Utes seven home games.
Holmoe also talks about getting zero interest this time around from the Pac-10, which is surprising to him since BYU was close to going to the Pac-10 in the early to mid 90's:
Asked point blank if the Pac-10 conference ever approached BYU about adding the school, Holmoe said, "no." Holmoe acknowledged some frustration that, although money is driving realignment, Utah was picked by the Pac-10, rather than BYU, although BYU would seem to be as attractive, or more attractive, than Utah as a revenue generator. However, he said the Pac-10 never offered an explanation to him or other BYU officials as to why it had no interest. He said the conference didn't extend a courtesy call. "You would have to ask the Pac-10" those questions, he said, noting that all he knows is what he's read or heard Pac-10 officials say in the media.
First off, I personally do not think the Pac-10 or any other league owes a school an explanation on why they were not being considered, just look at Missouri which begged to get into the Big 10 but were stiff armed with no reasoning. If BYU was not in consideration then why would a courtesy call be merited?
Later, when asked if his Pac-10 connections as the former head football coach at California would have been a factor, he noted that the conference choosing Utah and Colorado "was not an athletic decision....not about what you do on the field." He was also asked what Utah has that BYU does not have that would have made the Utes more attractive to the Pac-10. "They've said what they've said," he said after a pause. "The Pac-10 made the decision....We can't worry about the what-ifs."
If it was not about what you do on the field and is only about money making teams then BYU would have been in since they have an edge over the Utes in that department. Holmoe seems to be a bit upset and is holding back from his comments.
To listen to all of the audio head over to 1280 The Zone. They have it set up where you can not download the audio, but nonetheless it is a good listen.
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Any chance Utah and Boise State swap home and away in their two game series?
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that would make for an easy switch
Last game was at Utah in 2005 or 2006?
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 19, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Which team is worth more money is not as clear as it was 25 years ago.
Utah has certainly closed the gap, if not overtaken BYU. For instance, Utah is actually a bigger attendance draw in the MWC over the past two years than BYU (by about 2000 fans) and Utah’s bowl games v. BYU’s bowl games tell the story of two teams at equal level (even excluding the special circumstances of the Sugar Bowl). Not to mention the Dan Jones polls that show Utah is the favorite team of the fans in the State of Utah over BYU by about 10%.
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Yup
The difference if any is not that big.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 19, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be curious to know where you got your facts from
Seeing that BYU has sold out their stadium for the last 5 years and they hold roughly 20k more at LES than they do at RES. If your speaking in terms of travel, I can’t say for fact that BYU travels in the MWC better than Utah but of all the MWC teams I would certainly give the edge to BYU, especially with teams like SDSU, TCU, and UNM which are a little far reaching for a fan to travel to. It’s been beat to a dead horse but BYU has a built in fan base wherever you go because of the religious affiliation, that’s something that no other team in conference has.
by vaughnzipper on Jul 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
same here
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 19, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure it is based on away MWC games
The sum of the differential between each MWC team’s average attendance and the attendance when Utah or BYU are in town over the past two years (one game at each venue)
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I know the source
Look at the Mountain West football Football press release Bowl edition 2009 and 2008. I looked it up.
The press release is a really cool document
It comes out every week of the season and has tons of interesting information in it. Attendance is one of the bits of info. The bowl edition is the last one of the year.
thanks
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 20, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet BYU gets better gate
1) Utah will be expanding soon. I bet it won’t be long before the Utes stadium is similar size to BYU.
2) From Tom Holmoe interview last Friday, BYU stadium expansion is not on the table. He said it would take 10 years of sellout to be considered.
3) Student tickets are cheaper. The BYU student section is 16,000. I heard this in Tom Holmoes radio interview last Friday. The number has actually grown recently. Probably due to the economy. I think the Utah one is 6,000. I could be wrong on this but it seems I saw a post on blocku that said student section is 6,000 and visitor seats are 3,000 and season tickets were expected to reach about 35,000. This means the Utes will be close to sellout before the season starts, good luck getting same day tickets.
4) I went to look at ticket prices at LES and compared to RES. With a very unofficial comparison it looked to me like tickets at RES are more expensive in general. Like I said nothing official. I think Utah probably makes up for some of the gap with higher prices though.
In short, I think BYU makes more gate, but I wouldn’t doubt if in a few years after stadium expansion Utah is equal or better.
by daedalus17 on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
they do for home games
The Utah student section has been trimmed to make more cash for season ticket sales. I think Utah does cap season ticket sales to less then sellout capacity with maybe 3K (not sure at all if that is close) for individual tickets which will sell out fast. Same day will be nearly impossible especially in 2011 when home games are upgraded with new opponents from the Pac-10.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 20, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
BYU has more fans at LES but they haven't sold out every year for the past 5. They're at about 97% of capacity (same as Utah).
As for travel, you can’t say for sure that BYU travels better to the MWC schools because it would be wrong. Utah travels better and results in more tickets sold than BYU. The “built in fanbase” is a great argument, but it means nothing if Utah sells the same or more tickets and gets the same or more eyeballs.
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by displacedute on Jul 20, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is a Gem BYU fans will like
It shows BYU does deserve to be in a BCS conference too. I am surprised that I have not seen a BYU fan bring it up.
BYU ranks 27th highest home attendance in the NCAA.
They do use a lot of student tickets and reduced price staff tickets to fill the stadium though. I think there revenue per seat filled is low.
It's about money
As Dr. Hill said at the PAC 10 contract signing, “The Brinks truck did not pull up today.” Part of the buy in to the PAC ten is that Utah will not receive any revenue distribution in 2011. They will be competing against teams that do. This means Utah won’t have the cash to go pay anybody off. Their schedule is set and they are stuck with it.
The only way it could happen is if BYU were to do a 2 for 1. I do not blame BYU for accepting this deal. I wouldn’t if I were them.
Utah has more money
then they did in the MWC even in the partial revenue, and it will still be hard to buy out Boise or pay Weber a minimm of $600K for 2011.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jul 19, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Revenue sharing
I believe Utah’s PAC 10 revenue sharing will go like this…
2011 0%
2012 50%
2013 75%
2014 100%
PAC 10 revenue sharing is 45% of TV revenue. The remaining 55% goes to participants in the game.
It would practically result in a 2-1, but that's not what we're asking.
We’d be asking BYU to switch the 2011 game to a SLC game instead of a provo game and then have all the odd-years in SLC and the even years in Provo.
The other option is drop the 2011 game and then resume the series in 2012.
This will be easier to deal with if the PAC 10 plays 8 conference games like the will if they’re smart, but 9 is sounding more likely (although that’s a mistake).
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by displacedute on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
switching the series is a 2-1
unless we switch back in a couple years, switching the order of the series is essentially a 2-1. Example Home/Road as seen from BYU if we switch the order.
2009 @ Utah
2010 Provo
2011 @ Utah (2 for 1)
2012 @ Utah (2 for 1)
2013 Provo (1 for 2)
2014 @Utah
2015 BYU
I understand.
It would, as a practical matter, result in a 2-1 because we’d play at RES for 2010 and 2011. But it’s not that we’re asking for a 2-1 every time, just this one year of 2 in a row in SLC. So it’s not a 2-1, it’s a 100 for 99.
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by displacedute on Jul 20, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
BYU 2011 and Colorado
If Colorado doesn’t join the PAC 10 in 2011, then Utah won’t have a 9th PAC 10 game because they won’t have anyone to play on rivalry week. Maybe this could make a spot for BYU.
One reason I think this could happen. Colorado joins the PAC 10 with full revenue sharing in 2012. If they come early in 2011 they don’t have an agreement. The PAC 10 TV deal is not re-negotiated until 2012 so they won’t get more money with the extra team. I think this is one reason Utah gets 0% revenue share in 2011. This means a program strapped for cash will have to come up with the extra money to leave early. Then they have to receive a cut revenue share in the new conference when they arrive.
Interesting article on Colorado coming early.
Colorado answer by month end
never mind
I realized this would still have to be a home game for Utah. We already discussed why this won’t happen.
It does bring up the question of who the Utes would play in 2011 if Colorado doesn’t join till 2012.

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