BREAKING NEWS: Pac-10 Looking To Add Six Big Twelve Teams And No Utah

by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 1:32 PM PDT in Conference Expansion

Rivals site Orangebloods is reporting that the Pac-10 is looking to add six teams from the Big XII. This is huge news and the teams involved will be Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. Utah who has been reportedly a target looks to no be in the mix.

Such a merger between the six Big 12 schools and the Pac-10 would build a conference with seven of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, Seattle and Sacramento). And such a league would likely command attention from every cable system in the country and command a premium rate from every cable system west of the Mississippi.

This could also assume that Nebraska and Missouri are heading to the Big 10. Also, this leaves Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Baylor are out of a league. This could be a chance for the MWC to grabe a few of the left overs to get to 12.

Further analysis later when I have time to process this all.

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The first domino

If this happens, then the 16 team conference will take over. The Big 10 will follow suit and get to 16, the SEC will have to follow and the ACC will raid the Big East. Who would have thought that the PAC 10 would be the one to get it all started.

by SC_Ute on Jun 3, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions

I know

I need more time to put together something about how this affects the MWC. They could seriously grab Kansas and Kansas State along side Boise. This would make the hoops AWESOME with Kansas and football a little better since both schools have been solid recently.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Strangely enough

UNLV has Kansas State on their non-conference schedule for the next two years for b-ball.

UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Jun 3, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions

The Big Ten could try to get Kansas along with Mizzou and Nebraska.

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by Year2 on Jun 3, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions

very true

I think the Big 10 would be smart to do so.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions

They should have included UTAH in the PAC12 since there are already 3 teams that are coming from Texas. speedo aqabeat

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by waterproofmp3 on Jun 1, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Too strange...

I’m skeptical since it’s a link from the UT Rivals site.

I haven’t heard any legitimate beat guy for any Pac-10 school mention anything about this.

by B Money on Jun 3, 2010 1:45 PM PDT reply actions

The ESPN Pac-10 blogger addresses this in his chat today.

Link

He doesn’t think there’s anything to this, and he even spoke with Larry Scott today.

by holly96 on Jun 3, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Scott would deny

Until their meetinga

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 2:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Would make sense

I really do hope this is true.

If this really is gonna happen, then the MWC may be able to pick up some great football schools with huge media markets. (hint, hint, Nebraska!)

UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Jun 3, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Barry Trammel

of the Daily Oklahoman, has been saying a pac-10//Big 12 merger would/should happen, and not just a TV deal.

Personally I thought he was nuts as I didn’t (and still don’t) see how Stanford/Cal vote for Okie St. and Tech.

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by Redhawk on Jun 3, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions

good points

But I think since it would essentially make the old Pac-8 together with getting to play USC every year and being in LA for a game every year with UCLA/USC then they would go for it. The AZ schools would vote yes since they would be in Texas every year which would get them in that state for recruiting.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions

that

and the Pac-10 schools are broke. I can see them strong arming Stanford and Cal and USC to get the Texas TV markets.

Now…the rumor also has OU and A&M thinking about bailing out, and joining the SEC. Would the Pac-10 still take OSU and Tech then as travel partners with UT?

I’m looking forward to K-state vs Colorado St. in MWC action in Ft. Collins.

by Redhawk on Jun 3, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions

ha

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions

WOW

That was interesting.

I pulled up the site to work on an article and I get this. What a change of events. Let’s just hope that if the Big 12 also loses Missouri and Nebraska, than they don’t take every MWC team except for San Diego State and New Mexico and take Boise St. along too to replace all the holes, would makes sense from my perspective.

I still can’t believe this actually happened… So many times I heard that the Pac-10 will not expand to Texas and Texas A&M, but to add six big 12 schools now that’s a lot… Now the question is will the Pac-10 fail as badly as the WAC did and the MWC get to clean up the leftovers? (which would be pretty nice).

UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Jun 3, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions

leverage

why would the big 12 teams that are left over have any leverage over the MWC.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 2:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

I don't see why

They wouldn’t have any, that would be like saying “you better let me into the conference or I’m going to the FCS!” says leftover Big 12 teams… “OK, go ahead” says Craig Thompson…

MWC has all the leverage if this goes down and if Mizzou and Nebraska are desperate enough, they may just an accept an invite to the MWC along with Boise St. That would no doubt make us a BCS League.

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by rebelfan1 on Jun 3, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm calling baloney on this for now

Is there someone who would like to see this happen? I’m sure there is? Is an offer on the table? No way. Oklahoma’s president and even Nebraska have said they think the Big 12 remains largely intact, just as of today. I think this is just more smoke blowing around, probably from a ganja pipe. Until Fox Sports or ESPN reports it, I will remain unconvinced and very skeptical.

I’m still not totally sold on BSU to the MWC, but I am hopeful.

by rjohnson_jl on Jun 3, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions

Nebraska is listening to all offers

And are gonna end up in the Big 10 with Mizzou

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Expansions

I think the one that holds the most weight right now is BSU to the MWC. The others are just shots in the dark and what would be ideal for each on by each columnist. I wont hold my breath for the rest…

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by MasinMud on Jun 3, 2010 3:46 PM PDT reply actions

Official Denial by Pac-10 commish

We are aware of a story filed today by an Orangebloods.com columnist, speculating about possible expansion plans for the Pac-10 Conference. While many interesting scenarios have been suggested in numerous news reports, around the country, we remain focused on a thorough evaluation process that examines all of the options for increasing the value of the conference for our member institutions, our student athletes and our fans. We have not developed any definitive plans. We have not extended any invitations for expansion and we do not anticipate any such decisions in the near term.

by rjohnson_jl on Jun 3, 2010 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

From after the Big 12 meeting today

OU’s Athletic Director

Anyone who said they might not stay?

"We had a chance to express our thoughts," Castiglione said.

And were you unified?

"Everybody expressed their thoughts," he said again.

From the Lincoln Star Journal

by Redhawk on Jun 3, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions

thanks for that

Ill add that to my more lengthy article I am working on.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions

before you write that article

from the Daily Camera CU’s student newspaper:

Colorado athletic director Mike Bohn said he and other school officials have been led to believe the Pac-10 Conference is on the verge of issuing invitations to six members of the Big 12 to join its ranks.

“The longer that we were together in Kansas City it appeared that that rumor or speculation did have some validity to it,” Bohn said in an interview with the Camera as he left the Big 12 spring meetings here today.

by Redhawk on Jun 3, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions

saw that too

Gonna finish it once kids are in bed

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 3, 2010 5:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

...if this happens

I could see Boise, Baylor, and one more going to the MWC as my most likely scenario. I’d love kansas and kansas state, not sure it would happen though.

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by plainview88 on Jun 3, 2010 6:42 PM PDT reply actions

TCU will never vote for Baylor to join the conference, the bad blood towards them after the breakup of the SWC is just far too strong, and they don’t help the MWC’s quest to be an AQ. Baylor is bound for CUSA, the WAC or the Sun Belt, the MWC will have much sexier teams available to it than the Waco lot.

After all, you can’t spell Waco without WAC.

by HawkeyedFrog on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions

now this is just me...

but i think there is no way that K State an Kansas or any other Big 12 school would come to the MWC an leave the Big 12… cause the money they would lose with changing conferences they would not be albe to make up with the TV deal the MWC currently has with the MTN an CBS Sports.. there for i could see the Big 12 raiding the MWC to fill there holes since there is no penalty for leaving the MWC…

by CP.. on Jun 4, 2010 6:05 AM PDT reply actions

if the current rumor is true

the Big 12 could be down to only Kstate, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa State, and maybe Missouri.

They would be effectively homeless. However, they still would have the name “Big 12” and possibly a BCS AQ status. That AQ bid will be key. The Big 12 might not officially disband, as those 5 would be enough votes to block a full “disbanding”. If they retain the AQ bid, there could be a reforming of the league and many of the MWC could be targets.

No AQ bid…and well their is no reason to join those 5 team.

by Redhawk on Jun 4, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions

yup

I am thinking about putting together a post that includes the BCS numbers from the past two years, but may wait IF there is more info. The Big XII if those five are left have nothing to go on besides the name and that is it, and even by the off chance they bring in 7 teams: Boise State, TCU, Utah, BYU, Air Force, Colorado State, and UNLV that is not better then the current MWC and still may not equal BCS status since Baylor and Iowa State have been so terrible.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 5, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions

If the Big 12 south leaves

the Big 12 is as good as dead. BCS bylaws require that for a conference to maintain AQ status they must have a minimum of 8 teams in said conference. If expansion decimates the Big 12 like the rumors spreading I don’t think there’s any way that any of the MWC teams leave for them instead of staying pat. A Big 12 collapse all but assures the MWC of it’s own AQ status, assuming that we survive the expansion as well. I mean the Big 12 could in theory replace those lost teams, but you can’t lose a Texas, or Oklahoma without taking a serious hit in the BCS numbers. As much as we like our conference, not one of our teams can match the raw numbers that Texas, or probably Oklahoma for that matter, has put into the BCS formula for the Big 12, and that’s just something they wouldn’t be able to overcome in regards to keeping their AQ status. I think people fail to remember the “formula” for AQ in the BCS, so any team that would possibly join the Big 12 after the reformation would probably only be renting an AQ spot for two years. If all that is left over in the Big 12 is K-State, Kansas, Baylor/Colorado, and Iowa St., that really isn’t much better than UNLV, San Diego St., New Mexico, or CSU. New Mexico is really the only glaringly bad team of the bunch coming in at 1-11. Meanwhile the MWC if/when they add Boise St. is right on the cusp of AQ status.

by dmbase on Jun 7, 2010 2:32 AM PDT reply actions