Utah To Pac-10 Needs A Unanimous Vote
The Pac-10 did not succeed in getting to 16 teams and is currently at eleven after being rejected by Texas. The college football nation now turns their head to Salt Lake City where most expect Utah to be the newest member of the Pac-10.
One thing to remember that the Pac-10 needs to have a unanimous vote to include a new member, and that is what kept Texas going to the Pac-10 around the demise of the SWC. The real issue regarding the vote is that teams, specifically the Northwest schools want to be in southern California every year or play either USC or UCLA every year. Those teams help season ticket sales and recruiting when they play on the road.
A Pac-16 would have been fine because the original Pac-8 members would play their seven game divisional schedule and that would include USC and UCLA every year. In a twelve team league that can not be guaranteed if there is a split by geography, and could cause the Northwest block to vote against adding a 12th member. The Colorado vote was unanimous most likely on the assumption of being in a division with UCLA and USC where nothing would change.
The addition of Colorado has been speculated could be the only move the Pac-10 makes, but I am not buying that. Just play along here, an eleven team league can only play an eight game schedule, because mathematical it is impossible to play nine conference games with eleven teams. 11 teams x 9 games = 99 ÷ 2 teams per game = 49.5 games, not going to work. A game against USC or UCLA in the same year is likely but there would be a year when both would be missed, maybe once a decade.
A geographical divide would look like this:
| East | West |
| Utah | Oregon |
| Colorado | Oregon State |
| Arizona | Cal |
| Arizona State | Stanford |
| USC | Washington State |
| UCLA | Washington |
This set up makes geographical sense, but the Northwest schools would not like this that they would not play USC or UCLA on a consistent basis. In a nine game schedule the other division it would be once every four years that the other division would not play either USC or UCLA, but it would be less for when those schools would travel to the West division. One benefit to this is that rivals would not face each other in the title game.
Zipper division fixes this problem:
| Division One | Division Two |
| USC | UCLA |
| Oregon State | Oregon |
| Washington | Washington State |
| Stanford | Cal |
| Utah | Colorado |
| Arizona State | Arizona |
In this division their would be a set rival in the opposite division -- similar to what the SEC has -- the five divisional games, and then three cross divisional games rotate. An eight game schedule could be the same with only three cross divisional games with one being their rival. This gives both divisions a chance to play in and play against a Los Angeles team. Having a presence in southern California has been a sticking point in expanding to twelve teams.
The problem with this set up is that rivals could play in the regular season and then in a title game. Besides that this could be a scenario that all teams might be willing to go along with. However, USC is a powerful beast and they help boost season ticket sales when they come into town.
The vote to add any team must be unanimous, and the main sticking point is a schedule that everyone likes. So, if Stanford or any of the northwestern schools object then Utah is out, but on the other side an eleven team league is not that great and a title game would bring in some of the money that the Pac-10 was trying to get by adding the Big XII South.
So, there is a shot that Utah could be rejected by the Pac-10, but money trumps all so expect Utah to get the votes.
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Stuff just got real again.
Pax Texana may already be over.
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OK St. and Texas Tech: Both really pissed RE: Texas, OU and A&M not sharing the profits from extorting the Forgotten Five. As per this twitter feed, Texas Tech has called the Pac-10.
This “Big XII” deal sounds too good to be true. I think some of the lackeys are starting to figure it out.
i knew the money that texas would get form thier own tv deal and the big 12's unfair profit sharing
might screw this up. i hope so b/c i really want utah to stay in the mwc. the pac ten has to goto 12 teams to get a cg. the big ten could not have a cg when they had 11 member’s. hope this works out for the mwc.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 15, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
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Interesting development.
Ultimately, I don’t think it will change things but interesting nonetheless.
Yeah, I don't think so either.
I’d guess that they’ll just get a little more money from the extortion cash to shut them up.
by Spyder Mayhem on Jun 15, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But this is a bad sign, kids.
How can a conference planning to sign an EIGHTEEN YEAR TV deal even consider such a thing when the member schools can’t stay unified on something for more than 24 hours?
by Spyder Mayhem on Jun 15, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Valid Point
It wouldn’t surprise me to see A&M start getting all googly eyed for the SEC again.
Still, Texas Tech and Okie St can kick and scream all they want, but where else can they go at this point? The Pac 10 doesn’t want them, and unfair Big XII money is still better then “fair” Mountain West or Conference USA money.
I could see the PAC-ish taking Texas Tech now.
That would give them a head start into the eventual assumption of the Texas bloc in the next year or two, and it would put them to 12 teams. Tech is a good school with a complete athletic department, which really helps.
If they work a schedule that makes Colorado and Tech miss out on the USC/UCLA games for the first year or two, then the other schools don’t get hurt by the expansion to 12. Then, once they go to 16, they get the Texas schools as money matchups in addition to the southern Cal schools.
If the PAC-10 really thinks this one through, they could actually pull that off without hurting their own schools.
by David Hooper on Jun 15, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If Texas Tech has called the Pac-10, then they may take that 12th spot instead of Utah.
And the Pac-10 may hold off on inviting Utah.
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UNLV is going all the way this year!
That would be awesome
but I just don’t see it. If you’re going to pick off a single Big 12 school, why not go after Mizzou or Kansas?
Except the Pac 10 didn’t really want Tech in the first place, they just didn’t want any legislative holdups. Tech isn’t a good enough school to be a Pac member on its own.
by HawkeyedFrog on Jun 15, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Big question: Texas etc. have agreed to stay,
but have they actually signed any commitments yet, or are they still on the old contract?
There is no official contract yet.
Either to remain together or for their magical mystical television deal. Just handshakes and drawn daggers.
by Spyder Mayhem on Jun 15, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
Tech has agreed to stay in Big 12
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 15, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on Utah!
I have to admit that Utah does deserve a place at the PAC table, both athletically and academically. It really is a quality university. But there’s a large part of me that wants them to stay in the MWC because of the football potential of the conference. I know it’s a slim reason to want a team not to go on to bigger and better things, but with TCU, BYU, Utah, and Boise State the MWC would be one hell of a conference to watch on Saturday. I respect you Utah, but I’m definitely not saying any prayers for your PAC alignment.
by ThePhlipinSituation on Jun 15, 2010 2:31 PM PDT reply actions
What if the Pac-11 got one other Big 12 school like TT or OK State...?
LEaving Utah in the MWC. Could the MWX go after the other 2 or 3 spurned Big 12 schools to expand to 12 teams and gain a true AQ status with the legitimacy of the conference with a title game?
The Pac-10 has already given Scott all the authority he needs.
They approved three plans, one of which included adding just Colorado and Utah. If/when Scott finds the timing correct, Utah will be in the Pac-10.
good go know
thanks for that
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 15, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
MWC goes downhill
When the MWC let a Jr College team join last week I lost all respect for them. BSU is living the dreama and it will all collapse under the weight of a legitimate schedule rather than the High Schools they play week in and week out. Getting up for one or two games (at best) a year is a bout all they can handle. Lets see what they do now that they have to sit at the boys table.
PAC 10 Conference Alignment
The SEC does not have its divisions divided based on rivalry they are divided based on geography as any league should be ! The pac-10 divisions should simply be :
South North
Cal Colorado
Stanford Utah
USC Oregon
UCLA Oregon State
Arizona Washington
Arizona State Washington State
The California schools will all be kept in the same division, nothing else would make any sense!

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