Texas and Texas A&M Staying In Big XII Spurn Pac-10
by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 4:48 PM PDT
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PrintThe inaccurately named Big XII will continue with ten teams as both Texas and Texas A&M have agreed to stay in the league and reject the chance to be in the 'Surf n Turf' Conference. Texas is having a press conference at 11 am central time tomorrow and the best tweet of this comes from AOL Fanhouse writer Clay Travis:
Texas ought to be booted from BCS contention on principle alone. Decline offer from two tougher leagues to stay in weakened league? Cowards
So the good news is that there will be no super conferences! Four or five 16 team mega leagues would not have lasted too long because of egos, but now the expansion domino falls to Utah who has been heavily rumored to go to the Pac-10 to form a 12 team league. Larry Scott has also said that the Pac-10 could stay at eleven with Colorado, not sure if I am buying that.
Larry Scott could be fueling up his jet and head back to Utah to save face to have a 12 team league with a title game. Give Scott credit he went big and was pretty close to becoming the best football conference. Now, Utah fans should wait patiently (as I am doing) to see if an invite comes.
BYU could possibly be in the plans for an expanded Big XII if the league wants a title game, which they do since they have Jerry World rented through 2013. The Big XII could try to grab Utah and BYU but the television package would not increase too much since both are the same market, so if two teams are needed look for BYU and possibly Memphis with a side guest of $10 million a year for the foreseeable future from FedEx.
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You greedy Utes in Salt Lake better not jump ship for more money.
Besides the MWC is far superior to the Crap-10 at this point anyway.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 14, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions
Just sayin.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 14, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny thing
When I received the tweet, I was about to write an article when I saw another tweet of sam’s fanshot, but it was just a fanshot, so I thought I’d write a full post. A few minutes later I get another tweet taking me to this…
Anyway, Utah probably would accept if they are given an invitation. Although something tells me they might not. Obviously we have done the extensive research to find which is the best option for them, but I’m not sure that the schools do that too. It always seems that when we talk about expansion, all the rules and numbers come out and we narrow it down to a few candidates. The Pac-10 may not research all the numbers and may just automatically assume Kansas is a better choice. That would suck for Utah, but it could happen.
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The Pac-10 is a weaker conference in both football and basketball as it stands than the MWC
Of course it’s all about the money, so we will find out where the Utes/Cougars stand. I guess working together for 11 years and being on the cusp of a BCS bid means nothing. The Pac-10 is on a HUGE downturn…it doesn’t make sense anyone would want to leave teh MWC for the PAC-10 unless they were getting some serious bribes cash.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 14, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
All I hear is how the Pac 11 is in large media markets, but the content of your athletics has to account for something too, right?
Let’s be honest, USC was the biggest reason the Pac 10 had any national relevance in football the past few years and they just received the BCS death penalty. Who’s going to watch this conference now?
The Pac 11 needs Utah more then Utah needs the Pac 11.
I don't know, I'm pretty sure the Pac 10 revenue will still be A LOT more than the MWC.
I don’t like it, but I wouldn’t blame them at all for accepting an invite. I’m pretty sure any of the MWC teams would do the same.
That's what I'm saying
Literally the ONLY reason they’d want to move is for the $$$$$$$
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 14, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Money also can help you eventually field a better product.
And being in a BCS conference does help recruiting. Money may be the bottom line, but it’s not like more money doesn’t help on the field.
Yes but the conference is so close to the land of BCS milk and honey
Utah is going to get additional revenue either way. One way doesn’t involve screwing 9 other teams though.
I get that, I just think the money is SO much of a difference
and there’s no 100% guarantee that MWC will get to the BCS (especially with the Big 12 staying alive). It’s not like Utah is the only team that would jump at the chance. We can be upset as the teams left behind, but I don’t think anyone should throw stones at Utah, given that most everyone else would do the same thing.
There is also no 100% guarantee that Utah will be any good in the Pac 11
Even with BCS status and money, will Utah be able to recruit with the warm weather Pac 10 schools? Can it even out recruit CU?
I think Utah will be fine
They have improved a lot with Urban Meyer and have slightly out recruited some of the Pac-10 and pulled John Cullen away from USC and UCLA. I still point to Cincy as an example a bad team in CUSA then great in the Big East in a few years.
Utah is all ready very good and will be even better in a few years, WSU has TRIPLE the athletic budget Utah has and are just terrible. Plus, if Utah goes to Pac-10 they come in at the right time as USC will be struggling with their scholarship losses and Jordan Wynn will be a junior.
I dont expect Utah to compete for the Rose Bowl every year, but I can easily see them top 4 in their first year with 8 or 9 wins, but give them 4 years and they will be right up their with the best.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Talking about picking up USC players
That was great news for them, especially since this coming season they would still be in the MWC. They would still be eligible to pick up those recruits (the Pac-10 is not allowing it because they are not changing the rule) and then will join the Pac-10 with those juniors from USC on their team still as seniors…
And I agree with you that the Pac-10 is the better choice for Utah.
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ESPN's tabloid reporting
Joe Schad supplied no sources, and almost seemed like he was driving the story of expansion. In the end he was wrong. Makes me and others think he and ESPN had an alternative motives such as discussed in below article.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/405970-espn-wants-big-12-to-fail
by WorldWideWeselyStokes on Jun 14, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
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Right now, Utah needs to stay with the MWC…and I’m not saying this just because I went to BSU. Pac10 (mostly because of USC and UO) has gotten themselves deep in the pobrecito area of the public perception. Having lived in Pac 10 territory for 15 years, I now think because of all their problems that the Pac is not the elite anymore. MWC is becoming the new elite.
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by greekpadre on Jun 14, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Woo welcome!
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 14, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
will do hopefully
do you know if Cox is available in riverside? I’m able to get Pads games in Vegas, b/c Cox monopolizes here also…
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 14, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
with Oregon losing their starting QB and USC receiving the death penalty, I don’t see any way that the Pac-10 would be better than the MWC other than cash. And with the TV Deals for the Pac-10 up in 2011… It will be interesting to see how much money they get then.
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So does Utah become the Texas of the MWC?
Right now they are in the drivers seat. We need some Utes to let us know what is going to happen.
i am a ute
I think they will jump, because of the money. But i do agree the pac10 is down while mwc is rising. Ultimately if the invite comes Utah will take it, they have been wanting to be in pac10 forever.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 5:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This.
Even as a kid in Wyoming, I remember that Utah and BYU always wanted to change conferences.
Maybe somebody will convince the PAC that Hawaii is the ultimate Pacific school. ;-)
[sigh] I guess not. I’m going to miss Utah. My BYU/Utah/Boise/TCU dream lasted for almost a week.
by David Hooper on Jun 14, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
i just happened to be on a break from work
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 5:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
so i wrote it then
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 5:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
so the Pac-10
is still hurting football wise, basketball wise and looking pretty bad for it’s next TV deal
Would it benefit them to go after Utah, Hawaii (yeah, I know it’s a WAC)New Mexico, and Boise St, to add TV markets? Would assume Utah is a given.
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Now that the shock has passed,
I’ve got to say I’m relieved for college football. Other than making a lot of money, this wouldn’t have made the game better. It would have wounded programs whose only sin is to exist in a less-populated state, and it still wouldn’t have got us what is truly needed, a playoff system. The only thing that would make me happier is if Utah tells the Pac 10 no, though I’ll certainly not begrudge them if they don’t.
by yocoolz on Jun 14, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
The 16 team super conferences would have made college football not as fun with even more teams hoarding even more money.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Do you all really think the Mountain West is the equal or even better than the PAC 10. Come on, really? If any one of your teams played in the PAC 10, except maybe Utah, you’d be bottom feeders in both football and basketball, forever.You wouldn’t be able to compete on a regular or long term basis. Yes, sometimes, a MWC team steps up, has a good year, and takes a bite out of a PAC 10 or BCS team; however, over the long haul, PAC 10 and other BCS programs will and do have better programs. Of course Utah will join the PAC 10 when invited. Have you read their blogs. I haven’t read a single commit on their blogs opposed to the idea of joining the PAC 10. Let’s see, join a 12 team BCS conference with the best and richest programs in the western U.S., have a conference title game, and a legit every year shot at a BCS game, or maybe even a national championship; or stay aligned with 10 second tier western teams hoping to get BCS status someday. And let’s be honest, all this Mountain West pride is touching; however, if given a chance, there’s not one of you that wouldn’t have their programs jump at the chance of joining the PAC 10 or some other BCS conference. You are all just hoping Utah stays, because if they don’t, you all will never have the chance to join the big show. Utah is the only reason why this conversation is even happening. Not trying to be harsh here, just real.
by astanfi on Jun 14, 2010 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Equal? No, but therin lies the point
The Pac 10 should be better because the BCS system is rigged from the start.
Gives the MWC Automatic Qualifier status or set up a playoff system and we can easily find out who the better conference is.
There's some truth to that
However, the PAC has all the large markets. Which means the PAC will always have the better TV deal, better recruits, better programs, etc. It’s possible that the changing very top one or two MWC teams could compete with the PAC schools; however, from top to bottom the PAC, no matter the MWC status will always be the better conference. The best PAC school will almost always be better than the best MWC school and the worse PAC school will always be better than the worse MWC school. So, yeah, I was a little harsh. The MWC has done some good things; however, to say the PAC 10 sucks or has been passed up by the MWC is really overstating the facts and is rather irritating. I actually hope that some day the best of the WAC and MWC combine and get their AQ status. Having to BCS conference out west other than the arrogant Texas based Big VII minus 2 will help balance out all that east coast bias.
exactly
TCU and BYU would hold their own. As for competing on a long term basis (I assume you mean once a team is in a BCS league) is not entirely accurate. My prime example is Cincy they were nothing in C-USA and a few years are dominating the Big East, I know that is just one example, but USF improved greatly in a short time.
I think the MWC’s top teams are close with the bottom being separated by quite a bit, and any team who would get an invite to a BCS league would jump. The MWC with Boise can make a stronger case to be as good as the Pac-10, but the depth is stronger in the Pac-10. Washington St and UNM equal each other out, but Arizona, ASU, Oregon State, Cal, and UW are better then Air Force (well Air Force is about the same), Wyoming, SDSU, and UNLV.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with you saying that if any of our teams except for Utah joined the Pac-10, they would be a bottom feeder in football and basketball. I know the Pac-10 does have depth, but if TCU were in the Pac-10, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be a bottom feeder in football. If any of our NCAA Tournament teams from last season were in the Pac-10, they would most definitely not be bottom feeders… especially since you guys barely snuck two teams into the tournament last year, while we had four.
So, the Pac-10 hasn’t been surpassed by the MWC, yet… It really depends on if Utah does go.
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It takes more than one year
You can’t base your argument on what happen last year. Year in and year out, the PAC is stronger and deeper. Cincy is doing alright, but let’s be real. The Big East is not a real football conference. You put Cincy in any other BCS football conference and they’d get clocked. Heck, honestly, I think MWC has a better claim to AQ status then the Big East. To give you all props though, the MWC did push the PAC and is part of the reason the PAC 12 is coming about. Every power conference wants to maintain what it has and dominate it’s geographically area. Is there really any question if Utah goes or not. Read their blog, they are totally stoked, and there’s no way the PAC is stopping out 11. The conference offices have already approved the addition of Utah. The supper conference thing was just swinging for the fences, but most of us PAC fans are happy with adding Utah and Colorado. Adding these two schools bring on board really the last two major western urban centers not already in the conference and solidifies our position out west. It sucks for some, but surely you understand why the conference and Utah want it.
Cincy is an example
of what could happen, and Utah is much better then Cincy when comparing them in their time at C-USA, and youre right the MWC and Big East are comparable.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
I wasn’t saying anything about Utah not going, I think it will happen, but all I’m saying is any of our NCAA Tournament teams wouldn’t be bottom feeders in basketball and Boise St. and TCU would not be bottom feeders in football, it is that simple. I was just correcting you on that.
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It could be more than just money involved
As a die-hard Ute fan, this is my perspective: I think a jump to the Pac-XX is a great move. The deal not only involves money but it also provides exposure for the Utes. Think about it: these incoming recruits could have the chance to play with the likes of Oregon, USC, and of course the chance to play in the Rose Bowl (provided they had a good year)
Going further than that, USC just got hit bad and will take several years to recover. Considering the Pac-10 superpower is out of the picture, Utah see’s a great opportunity to make some noise. Trust me, if Utah gets a invite, they will jump on it in a heartbeat.
Utah deserves it
My earlier post was a bit harsh of the MWC; however, the PAC 10 is a BCS conference while the MWC isn’t. If Utah gets the invite, then they would be fools to pass it up, especially if all they got to hang their hat on is possible future BCS status for MWC. As a die hard purple and gold UW fan, it’s my view that Utah has done the hard work to move up. It’s as simple as that. Boise State has done the hard work to move from the WAC to the MWC, and Utah has done the same thing for the PAC. Honestly, who else has showed the long term success in both football and basketball that Utah has to demonstrate that they can hang with the big boys. Frankly, most folks I talk to on the UW and Pac 10 blogs in many ways prefer Utah over most of those Big XII schools. For all the rest of you, do what you got to do over a decade or so, and someone will come calling eventually. The only ones even worth thinking about right now is maybe BYU and TCU. One final note, you all should continue to raid the WAC for their best if there teams. At least get Fresno State, of note a couple more after them to get to 12.
If BYU didn't have the religious issue, I'm pretty sure they would have been in the conversation
just as much as Utah. Recent success on the field isn’t everything. It’s about what a school would bring to the new conference in terms of revenue, etc.
BYU certainly would get more consideration, especially when it comes to the PAC 10, if they didn’t have the religious issues; however, I do think program wide, Utah is quite a far ahead of BYU.
oooooo
Dont say that last part, because BYU fans will come rushing to their defense of an 1984 title. I think both are rather close Utah and BYU, but Utah has proven to win on the biggest stage so they are better but it is not a very wide margin.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh.
I’m certainly not going to fall back on 1984 (believe me, it irritates some BYU fans, too). I do think that Utah’s recent success has made the gap appear wider than it actually is (and I don’t really think there is much of a gap at all—just that Utah has had things fall right more recently and has gotten it done when it counted).
1984!!!!
Just kidding.
But you can’t deny what BYU has done (really Lavell Edwards) to change the college football landscape. Since his inception to college football BYU has been a solid top 25 program. Not the same can be said about Utah until 2004. BYU has shown that they can sustain strength over a 30+ year span, while Utah has done it for 6.
Let’s be honest here Utes, BYU has the better program. The difference is that Utah is seeing success now. If BYU were to get into an auto-bid conference (please, oh please Big12!!!) you would see BYU’s program sky rocket! Think of all the LDS talent BYU has lost to the likes of USC and UCLA, kids who legitimately had BYU on the radar but skipped out to potentially play on the big stage. The very fact that BYU can compete despite their religious affiliation and strict honor code which severely limits their ability to recruit high dollar players is something worth noting.
Bottom line, BYU has been miles ahead of Utah for decades! Where things are wrong is not that Utah is ahead of BYU but instead finally narrowing the gap and making the rivalry much better. :)
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me rephrase
“The very fact that BYU can compete despite their religious affiliation and strict honor code which severely limits their ability to recruit high dollar players is something worth noting.”
Better phrased as
The very fact that BYU can compete year in and year out while struggling to sign high dollar recruits because of the strict honor code is worth noting.
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, I’ll be honest. When me and my UW buddies sat around drinking a cold bear talking about Pac 10 expansion the last several years, we always assumed it was going to be BYU and Utah. That was before Texas decided to rule the world and destroy the Big XII, causing that conference to come apart. Most of us, at least younger Pac fans just wanted expansion with a conference title game and would have been perfectly happy with BYU and Utah. When Colorado become available, well, that’s a no brainier; Denver market, chance to weaken a rival BCS conference, only having to grab one Salt Lake City market team, and putting the brakes on MWC by only having to grab on of their teams. Sucks, but those are the cold hard facts.
LaVell was a stud
And BYU has the history with better teams as they dominated the WAC in the 80s with like 8 straight titles. Recent history matters more and the BCS wins are what people see in Utah and not with BYU. The two are close and to go perfect things have to fall the right way.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean that bogus title
Sorry man, don’t buy off on that 84 BYU national title. UW lost one 4 point game to UCLA and destroyed Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. BYU went undefeated in a very weak WAC and barely beat a below average .500 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. Not buying it, Huskies kill BYU if they play that year. It’s still a sore spot with us DAWG fans.
Because you didn't notice the "just kidding"
I’ll note that atleast BYU doesn’t have to share their NC with anyone. In all major polls BYU won, in ‘90 you recieved a pity vote in a poll that no longer exists and in ’91 you had to share the title with a waaay better Miami team… Oh and we beat them in the season opener the following year. You act as if I’m the one who voted BYU to #1? Wake up and recognize that they were voted #1 by the same folks who voted for your dogs. I’m not one to post our NC everywhere as if it’s relevant in today’s football but you better believe I’m proud to say we own one… Outright too!
BTW, how’s your Heisman Trophy look in your case? Oh wait, they don’t give one to the guy who finishes in 4th place.
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 11:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If not more so than Utah
BYU generates way more money nationally than Utah. The Pac10 is a liberal left wing conference, that’s what makes Utah a great fit for them. If a non-bias conference looking at the 2 were to set aside the Sunday issue there is no doubt they’d take BYU over Utah.
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Big XII??
If they want a title game.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do the MWC schools have to earn it
But multiple Pac10 schools get it despite their lack of any success over the last decade? Yes, UW falls into that category.
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 8:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
three letters
B-C-S
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
The unfortunate thing is as much as they are evaluating what they bring in they really should be evaluating what they have. The comment he made was maybe if you’re good enough over a decade then somebody will pick you up. I ask why then should UW, WSU, ASU, UA, OSU, and even Stanford not be expected to live up to the same standard of the “inferior” teams looking to join? Sounds pretty ridiculous to hold a university to a standard half of your conference hasn’t been able to uphold for the last decade.
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 9:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would say because in the case of UW, WSU, OSU, and Stanford, a hundred years of shared history goes a long way. Also, in the case of UW, having a local market of almost 4 million people helps and a 60 to 70 year history of being one of the top 2 or 3 programs in the conference. Stanford’s in the bay area, and UA has Phoenix. OSU has had a very successful decade. As for WSU, as a Husky fan, I’d hate to not have them to beat up on a regular basis.
100 years of history
Doesn’t mean much to teams like TCU who dominated 60-70 years ago along with SMU. Or how about Army and their multiple national titles 50-75 years ago. Or Yale and Princeton who I think own more national titles than any other schools, where is there slice of the pie?
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 11:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
True That
UW has struggled the last decade. Of course, the 4 decades before that, we have something like 10 Rose Bowl appearance, an Orange Bowl, and a national title. Don’t worry, we’re on the way back.
If allyou had to do to get a Rose Bowl appearance was win your conference title then BYU would have 20+ Rose Bowl appearances
That’s the lamest thing I’ve ever heard. You Pac10 goons wave that around like you accomplished some great task but all you really had to do was win the conference title and you were guaranteed a rose bowl berth. Who cares that you’re “on the rise”? Actions speak louder than words and right now you guys are still among the nations worst.
I would love to see you have this same conversation with Sark. One of the coolest guys I’ve ever known.
by vaughnzipper on Jun 14, 2010 11:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
In 2008
Everyone complained that no one saw the Utes play. A move to the big Pac-10 market solves that problem right away. (again provided the Utes adjusted well) Leving the prison that is the Mtn. channel would be reason enough to pack our bags.
The Pac-10
current tv deal is not all that great, but the new deal should be much better.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He will write a song
Since that is his side job.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
So much for hoping the Big XII would fold.....
Best case scenario for theh MWC was for the Big XII to fold …… now we went from knocking on the door of the BCS to being outside looking in. I really believe the PAC 11 will need a 12th and it’s Utah. Can’t blame Utah if they go … hard to turn down more exposure and the money that goes with it. I also believe that BYU and either TCU or Air Force fill in the two empty spots in the Big XII. This leaves the MWC even weaker than before this whole mess started. I hope I’m wrong.
I hope so, too
The question is, if the MWC does get torn apart, do the remaining teams try to invite others and rebuild (Houston, Nevada) or do they try to join up with other leagues if any will have them?
There might be some hope ...
I just heard a report on ESPN that the Big XII most likely won’t add more teams and stay at 10. Why? Because the TV money they are negotiating for divides into more revenue for 10 teams than is does 12. This would be good for the MWC. If Utah still leaves to the PAC 10 -12 or whatever ….. we can handle that. 1 team is much easier to replace than 3 or 4 of your top football programs.
My gut feeling
is that the Big 12-2 will not be expanding any time real soon (barring some sort of actual realignment armageddon). The consensus on the Big 12-2 SB Nation boards (based on the several I frequent) seems to be “give 10 teams a try, who knows we might like it better anyways”.
Utah to the PAC# is the only thing I see as facing the MWC right now – and that would hurt for sure. But Utah basketball is down lately so BSU in place of Utah is really not much drop-off there (basketball <<< football anyways, right?). Even as much success as Utah has had lately in football, I would still give the edge in conference-value to Boise State there. Basically trading Utah for Boise State – which isn’t a wholly bad deal IMO.
Keep building the momentum you have going and in 5 years, when the Big 12-2 finally implodes as is seemingly inevitable, you’ll be a nice soft spot to land for some BCS schools from a crumbled former-Big 12 – and either join a recently AQ conf or help ‘top the hill’ for becoming BCS AQ…
Best of luck! (I’m hoping the PAC# gets another pie in the face with Utah declining any possible offer that goes their way)
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