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Mountain West Conference Expansion Checkup: Recap of the Crazy Turn of Events

Boy... It's been a crazy week. If you remember back to my last Checkup, I put out a poll on whether or not the Pac-10 will expand, I think we all know the answer to that by now. I think most of us thought that Boise St. would receive an invite on Monday when the MWC Presidents met, that was put on hold. And then, it happened. The first domino fell. Just about all theories about expansion have gone awry, for all leagues. This post will put all the insane events in order.

Thursday, June 3rd, 1:24 P.M. - Let's start with the surprise that jumpstarted this all. On Thursday of last week, Chip Brown, a reporter for the Rivals site Orangebloods.com, reported that the Pac-10 was to expand the coming weekend and add Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado. This startled everyone, including myself, and we immediately began thinking to ourselves of what this meant for the Pac-10 and what this meant for the MWC. For the Pac-10, it would give them 7 of the top 20 TV Markets in the country:

Such a merger between the six Big 12 schools and the Pac-10 would build a conference with seven of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, Seattle and Sacramento). And such a league would likely command attention from every cable system in the country and command a premium rate from every cable system west of the Mississippi.

This obviously makes the Pac-10 a cash cow conference, espicially since their TV Contracts are up for renegotiation after the 2011 football season. In this format, you essentially have two divisions, one with the members of the old Pac-8, and the other with the Big 12 schools and the former newcomers to the Pac-8 in Arizona and Arizona State. This satisfies the issue of getting a guaranteed game against USC every year except for the two Arizona schools, although the money that would come in from the gigantic TV Deal would be enough to compensate for that missed game against USC.

Now what did this mean for the MWC? Well, assuming that Nebraska and Missouri bolt to the Big 10 in the chaos, that leaves Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas and Kansas State behind. This gives the MWC more options, other than just expanding and adding Boise St. Now our options are, assuming that the Pac-10 adds six Big 12 schools and the Big 10 takes Nebraska and Missouri, stay at status quo, expand to 10 with Boise St., expand to 12 with choice of two other Big 12 schools along with Boise St., and expand to 16 with Boise St. and a vast array of candidates from other conferences. Along with giving more options for expanding, it increases the amount of candidates significantly, giving us more options in case one school doesn't want to come.

Now of course most of us bellieved this to be just another expansion rumor like the ones we've had in the past couple of weeks, but this one was from a reliable source in Chip Brown. Brown has covered Texas and the Big 12 for ten years and has rarely had incorrect information (a few times when he first began writing on Texas Athletics). So if it hadn't been Chip Brown, this would have just gone down as another rumor in the books much like the recent Big 10 expansion rumors.

Follow me after the jump for the rest of the timeline...

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Thursday, June 3rd, 6:06 P.M. - So after that, the media became hyper active and started talking to everyone related to the Pac-10 expansion. The one person who has always coveted an invite to the Pac-10, Colorado Athletic Director Mike Bohn, started talking.

Bohn said CU has not had any contact with the Pac-10 or its representatives and he was not clear on how he came to believe invitations could be forthcoming. But he said Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech could receive invitations possibly as soon as this weekend when Pac-10 officials meet in San Francisco.

"The longer that we were together in Kansas City it appeared that that rumor or speculation did have some validity to it," Bohn said in an interview with the Camera as he left the Big 12 spring meetings here today.

But then Bohn covered his steps as fast as he could.

Bohn said at this point Colorado remains a committed and proud member of the Big 12 and he believes the conference has a bright future if its members remain together.

Seemed like he wanted the invitation, wanted to believe it, but didn't want to set off any alarms. Would make sense. Mike Bohn seemed to change the status of this whole shinnanigan from rumor, to developing story.

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Thursday, June 3rd, 6:11 P.M. - Next is the Big 12's reaction. Once Dan Beebe got word of the rumor, he called a press conference at 5:00 P.M., then pushed it backed to 6:00 P.M., then just canceled it.

Then they straight up canceled the presser, issuing no comment and rescheduling for tomorrow. As one CycloneFanatic poster superbly put it, "Well the Big 12 is good at sitting and waiting to see what happens. Nothing new here."

Mirth aside, however, reports from Kansas City make it seem obvious that the Big XII isn't waiting, they're realizing that the end is here.

This made this seem to be a valid rumor. With the Big 12 now reacting in a negative way to the rumor, everyone realy started believing its true.

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 Friday, June 4th, 2:54 A.M. - After this, the Big 10 started talking expansion again, even after they had reassured everyone that the expansion was still 12-18 months down the road. Their main target this time? Texas. Texas had been talked about since the conference announced it was going to expand several months ago. Apparently OSU president E. Gordon Gee talked to Texas president William Powers about joining the Big 10.

"I did speak with Bill Powers at Texas, who would welcome a call to say they have a 'Tech' problem," Gee wrote in an e-mail that was among several obtained by The Dispatch through a public-records request for documents and correspondence related to Big Ten expansion proposals.

Texas Tech is one of Texas' rivals in the Big 12 conference. Ohio State officials declined a Dispatch request to explain the "Tech" problem.

"Public record laws do not require us to provide further clarification on meaning," OSU spokeswoman Amy Murray said in an e-mail. "While a few of the e-mails are cryptic, we aren't obliged to provide additional explanation."

It seemed that the Big 10 had resurfaced after all the expansion talk about the Pac-16 rose about, this time talking about snatching Texas away from the Pac-10. This brough up the possibility of Texas and Co. going to the Big 10 and leaving the rest of the Big 12 behind, instead of going to the Pac-10 and having the Big 10 take Nebraska and Missouri.

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Friday, June 4th, 8:22 A.M. - So... Now it seems that the rumor of the six Big 12 schools going to the Pac-10 has some validity, right? Well, here's some more. A day after the remarks by Colorado AD Mike Bohn, Washington AD Scott Woodward said there was a lot of speculation from the Pac-10's end of the spectrum.

There is an enormous amount of speculation about conference expansion right now and I think with the Pac-10 that anything is possible, all the way from remaining with the status quo, where we are today, to a full merger with the Big 12 and anything in between. All possibilities are viable and open for discussion.

This opened up a lot of options to Pac-10 Expansion that previously hadn't been explored. The idea of a full merger perplexed many of us, trying to think of why that would happen. This really showed that the Pac-10 was considering the rumor reported by Chip Brown.

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Saturday, June 5th, 7:43 - A little further down the line, we start to see the Texas Legislature get involved. Once again, they start pushing for Baylor to go with the rest of the Texas schools, replacing Colorado.

"If you're going to have an exported commodity involved in this, do you think we're going to allow a school from outside the state of Texas to replace one of our schools in the Big 12 South? I don't think so. We're already at work on this," said a high-ranking member of the Texas Legislature who asked not to be identified.

"If the Pac-10 wants Texas, and we know they do, they may have to take all of our Texas schools," the source said, adding that Texas Tech has also benefited from political inclusion on the invite list.

Here is what Don Hale, Texas' vice president of public affairs, had to say about the Texas Legislature applying pressure for the Texas schools to stay together.

"I think it's a political issue," he said yesterday. "Because they're state institutions, I think the concern is that one can't move without the others."

If you don't remember what happened last time Texas and A&M tried to leave the conference, here is what happend in short. Arkansas left the Southwest Conference for the SEC in 1990. After that, Texas and Texas A&M began talks with other conferences about joining them. They first went to the Big Ten, got turned down. Then the Pac-10, got turned down because Stanford was the loan no vote to bring in Texas. They then went to the Big 8 and were extended an invite. When the Texas Legislature got word of this, they told the Big 8 that if Texas and A&M were going, Texas Tech and Baylor would have to go along with them. The Big 8 conformed and so the Big 12 was born. The remaining four members of the SWC, TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice, began scrambling for options and settled for the Super WAC for a couple of years. Once that blew up, they all settled for C-USA which is where they are now except for TCU, who went to the MWC in 2005.

So all that said, the Texas Legislature appeared to start trying to do the same thing again. The Legislature is now pushing that the Pac-10 add Baylor instead of Colorado in order to "Keep the prestige of the Texas schools together..." (what?). With this happening, speculation began of the MWC adding Colorado if they are left behind.

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Sunday, June 6th, 5:27 P.M. - Now we've had some time to digest this all, and what it means for their respective teams. At this time, the Pac-10 granted permission to commissioner Larry Scott to expand the conference. He stated that there were four options the Pac-10 could explore regarding expansion, the status quo, add Utah and Colorado, add the six Big 12 schools I mentioned earlier, and a full merger with the Big 12. Here is Scott's response when asked about the timetable of expansion.

Scott said it's possible the expansion announcement could come as early as July 27, the first day of the Pac-10 football media days in New York. The new schools wouldn't join the Pac-10 until the 2012-2013 school year, Scott said.

So pretty much this just made us think that the rumor stated a few days earlier was going to become true. Although the dates were misleading of what was to come.

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Monday, June 7th, 8:36 A.M. - Another rumor arrives from Orangebloods.com. Chip Brown is now reporting that the Pac-10 will invite six Big 12 schools during this week.

At this point we knew who 5 of the 6 schools were going to be, with the 6th still undecided between Baylor and Colorado. Most of us now knew that the Big 12 was hanging in the balance upon whether or not Nebraska jumps to the Big 10, because if Nebraska jumps ship, so does the Big 12 South.

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Monday, June 7th, 4:49 P.M. - Baylor regent's e-mails show anxiety over Colorado getting an invite to the Pac-10. In a series of e-mails by alumni and supporters, this is evidenced. Here is what a supporter of the university had to say.

"My guess is that Colorado hasn't taken enough broadside hits to sink their boat yet and they may well be on the invite list," Jones said. "I hope I'm wrong. But there's still time left to change the scoreboard. We aren't through."

 

 

 

In a subsequent e-mail he wrote of the importance of legislative involvement.

"It is imperative that whatever happens the four Texas schools (and hopefully OU and OSU) agree to stick together," Jones wrote.

"United we stand. And the three public Universities you all are contacting understand the importance of an issue that touches 20 of their bosses in the Legislature."

Another e-mail from Jones urged the alums in the Legislature to call key officials at Texas, A&M and Tech. It provided talking points about why those schools should throw their weight behind Baylor instead of Colorado.

Now we know that the Texas Legislature is doing all that they can to try to force the Pac-10 to invite Baylor instead of Colorado. Most of us that are MWC fans are hoping that it is true because then we could snatch Colorado from the Big 12 leftovers.

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Tuesday, June 8th, 4:37 P.M. - Colorado is preparing to have a meeting with the board of regents to discuss a move to the Pac-10. This seems to be some tangible evidence of the Pac-10 expansion rumors. Colorado at this time was expected to make a major announcement on Wednesday about expansion.

If the speculation is true, Colorado could be preparing to accept a bid from the Pac-10 Conference, which has targeted the Buffaloes for expansion.

The move would undercut an attempt by Baylor to sway the Texas Legislature into helping the Bears get an invite ahead of Colorado.

It would also guarantee that the Pac-10 probably pulls off at least one of its plans presented to league presidents and chancellors at meetings over the weekend in San Francisco.

Wow, it seems that those dates Larry Scott mentioned earlier definitely were off. Colorado is now talking about accepting an invite.

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Tuesday, June 8th, 6:56 P.M. - Found out that the meetings weren't actually about accepting an invite to the Pac-10. Turns out they were just discussing legal options.

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So... Colorado isn't going to the Pac-10? I'm confused.

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Wednesday, June 9th, 3:31 P.M. - Chip Brown is now reporting the demise of the Big 12. He's been the one reporting just about everything on Pac-10 expansion and he now is predicting the death of the Big 12.

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He also went on Sports Center on Wednesday evening and said that the original members that were reported earlier by Orangebloods.com (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado) were indeed the schools to be invited, not Baylor.

Now this means that apparently the Big 12 is practically destroyed by now if the Texas AD is telling us that they tried to save the Big 12 but couldn't do it. It looks as if the Pac-16 is imminent.

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Wednesday, June 9th, 4:47 P.M. - Chip Brown goes on to say a little later that the expanded Pac-10 would begin play in 2012. If all of this happens, its going to be a very akward next couple of years for the Big 12.

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So for the schools like Iowa State and Baylor, you will get 2 more years of Big 12 play, but that's all. It will be interesting to watch the final two years of the Big 12, knowing that the teams that weren't invited are doomed. Of course that is assuming that the Pac-10 invites the six Big 12 schools.

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Wednesday, June 9th, 2:23 P.M. - Nebraska has apparently accepted an invitation to the Big 10. This was just a rumor at the time, but we'll actually find out if it's true today.

A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com the regents informally agreed Wednesday to move to the Big Ten and that a formal announcement Nebraska is leaving will come Friday.

This started all the dominoes falling...

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Wednesday, June 9th, 8:43 P.M. - Now reports are coming in that Colorado has received an invitation from the Pac-10 and is planning to accept the invitation. Surprise, surprise... ESPN's Pat Forde sums it up the best.

"We appear headed for one of the most interesting and hectic days in college sports history tomorrow. Stay tuned." Forde said from his twitter account.

This simply told us that everything was to unfold on Thursday.

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Thursday, June 10th, 6:22 A.M. - Texas and Texas A&M officials are meeting Thursday to try and save the Big 12. Didn't Texas just say that they tried to keep the Big 12 together, but it's dead?

Officials from Texas and Texas A&M will meet Thursday morning in Austin in a last-ditch effort to save the Big 12 Conference. The regents, presidents and athletic officials from the universities are scheduled to meet with the hope of figuring out how to keep the conference together now that the departures of Nebraska and Colorado appear imminent. […]

"I think there’s a strong, strong interest to ensure that the Big 12 exists, regardless of any kind of possible departures," [Big 12 Commissioner Dan] Beebe said.

He added that the conference would not rule out carrying on without a conference football title game; N.C.A.A. rules require 12 members for such a game.

"It would be one less obstacle to getting into the national championship," Beebe said. "I think television value would still be there. I’m not talking about any specific school that would be departing. It would still be an extremely strong conference and player in the national landscape."

I don't understand why Dan Beebe really thinks that the Big 12 will stay together regardless of losses. It will be tough for Texas and A&M to keep the conference together.

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Thursday, June 10th, 9:00 A.M. - The next domino has fallen. And this time its Colorado. Reports are now coming in that the Buffaloes will accept a bid to join the Pac-10.

Colorado will accept a bid to become a member of the Pac-10, according to the Boulder Daily Camera (via Ralphie Report.) Colorado becomes the first team to officially leave the Big 12, and will announce the deal at an 11 a.m. press conference on Friday.

The move pre-empts any attempts by Texas legislators to oust the Buffaloes in favor of Baylor, a Big 12 school some politicians viewed as a package deal with the remainder of the Texas schools rumored to be part of a six-team move to the Pac-10. It also sets up the Pac-10’s alternate scenario of a possible two-team expansion to 12 teams if the six-team package deal fails to take shape, most likely with Utah taking the second spot.

As the quote states, this dooms Baylor.

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Thursday, June 10th, 10:30 A.M. - It's official Colorado is in the Pac-10. At this time, Larry Scott has now announced that Colorado is officially the Pac-10's 11th member.

"This is an historic moment for the Conference, as the Pac-10 is poised for tremendous growth. The University of Colorado is a great fit for the Conference both academically and athletically and we are incredibly excited to welcome Colorado to the Pac-10," said Commissioner Larry Scott.

"On behalf of The University of Colorado students, faculty, alumni and fans, we are proud to accept this invitation from the Pac-10 and join the most prestigious academic and athletic conference in the nation, " said Philip P. DiStefano, chancellor of CU-Boulder.

"The University of Colorado is a perfect match – academically and athletically – with the Pac-10," said University of Colorado President Bruce D. Benson, "our achievements and aspirations match those of the universities in the conference and we look forward to a productive relationship."

Chip Brown is now saying that it is now just a question of who signs next from the Big 12. He is sure that the rest of the Big 12 will sign on.

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Friday, June 11th, 9:00 A.M. - Colorado has announced it will talk to the press about it's new membership at 11:00 A.M. MT in Boulder, CO.

 

So that was just a recap of what has gone on in the past couple of weeks. The question is what will happen next? Please feel free to write your own ending in the comments, just don't put anything in there about Iowa State or Baylor to the MWC. That's just wrong...

 

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Kudos to the PAC-10

It was so refreshing to watch the PAC-10 stand up to the Texas Legislature. Baylor would not have fit in the PAC-10 any way you sliced the pie. A&M, culturally speaking, is going to be a tight squeeze. UT — no problem. This has been a hoot to watch. There are many chips left to fall but the Mountain West is inching toward the kind of credibility that has been its goal for years. The demise of the Big-12 parctically ensures that the MW will take that 6th place in the BCS.

From a personal perspective, I can only hope that the MW and the University of Houston have some productive talks. UH would be a great addition to the conference and would give TCU at least one neighbor to play with. I believe there is mutual respect between these two programs. Baylor? Wow, what can you say? C-USA? Maybe even Sun Belt? Again, WOW!

by HouTX on Jun 11, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Be Careful Discrediting Baylor

Nine times in the Big 12’s 14-year history, Baylor has either led the conference or finished second in overall student-athlete graduation rates, according to the annual federal graduation survey.

Some 92 percent of Baylor’s student-athlete who complete their eligibility leave with a degree in hand.

Baylor has won a combined 37 Big 12 regular-season (23) and tournament (14) championships in the Big 12’s 14-year history; eight more than the 29 total (26 regular season and three tournament) titles it won in 81 years of Southwest Conference membership.

Baylor’s 37 all-time Big 12 Conference titles, which rank fifth overall behind Texas (115), Nebraska (76), Texas A&M (46) and Oklahoma (45), have come in eight sports – men’s tennis (16), women’s tennis (12), women’s basketball (3), baseball (2), softball (1), soccer (1), men’s golf (1) and equestrian (1).

Over the last seven academic years (2003-04 through 2009-10), Baylor has won a combined 28 Big 12 regular-season and tournament championships in six different sports, which ranks third behind Texas (55) and Texas A&M (30) in that period, and ahead of Oklahoma (26) and Nebraska (25).

In that same seven-year span, Baylor has won two NCAA team championships (2004 men’s tennis and 2005 women’s basketball) and 13 NCAA individual crowns.

Sixteen of Baylor’s 18 sports have made at least one postseason appearance over the last seven years with men’s basketball reaching the Elite 8 in 2009-10; women’s basketball advancing to a pair of Final Fours (2004-05 national champions and 2009-10), baseball making the 2005 College World Series, softball advancing to the 2007 Women’s College World Series, men’s tennis advancing to eight consecutive Elite 8’s (including the 2004 NCAA team championship, which started a run of four straight Final Four appearances) and women’s tennis’s four Elite 8’s which includes its 2008 Final Four appearance.

Ranked 38th in the most recent (June 3rd) NACDA Directors’ Cup, Baylor is virtually assured of a seventh-straight Top 50 ranking in the national all-sports sweepstakes with points still to come from its baseball, men’s golf, men’s track and women’s track teams. In 2008-09, Baylor recorded its third-highest finish ever in the all-sports standing at No. 33, behind a 32nd-place finish in 2005-06 and a 25th-place showing in 2004-05.

For the second consecutive year, a school-record 14 of Baylor’s 18 varsity teams received 2009-10 postseason invitations.

So, if it’s not all about football, Baylor should be considered an asset to ANY conference. If it is all about Football, Baylor and TCU have years of history and lots of bad blood between them. A natural rivalry.

by TXRevolver on Jun 11, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

All those regular season titles you mentioned...

Notice none of them are in football.

No one cares about anything when talking about expansion except for football and basketball. That’s what drives money, not equestrian (what is that???).

Just because Baylor’s student athletes have a good graduation rate doesn’t mean they’re a good academic school. What determines the level of a school’s academic status is the level of education they give out…

I do admit that Baylor is pretty good in basketball, but that’s not the sport that generates the most revenue, that sport is football. In football, Baylor just sucks… period.

The main killer for Baylor is their TV Market. Their TV Market is absolutely horrible. This is one of the reasons the Big 12 did not have the kind of revenue that the SEC makes, as some expected when the Big 12 was formed. Baylor’s horrible TV market along with Iowa St.‘s took down the conference’s TV Value extremely and without them, the conference would have succeeded to the point where we wouldn’t be talking about the demise of the Big 12. Baylor’s TV Market is horrible and hurts money significantly in the MWC and C-USA, and in a non-BCS Conference everyone doesn’t just have the cash laying around to pick up the slack so that they can associate themselves with a good academic school and a school good in equestrian. Baylor has practically no tradition in the 2 money making sports.

UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Jun 11, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying....

Don’t discount their academics either.

Tier 1 University as noted by US News & World Report

Baylor University has been ranked as one of the nation’s top 50 “Best Values in Private Colleges” according to findings published in the April 2008 edition of Kiplinger’s Personal Finance magazine.

Ranked 75th by U.S. News & World Report.

Businessweek’s 2008 ranking of top undergraduate business schools placed Baylor’s business school 36th in the nation.

Baylor’s Engineering program consistently ranks in the top 25 of non-doctoral engineering programs in the nation.

Listed in Princeton Review’s The Best 361 Colleges (2008).

Relevant magazine ranked Baylor the #1 Christian college in the U.S. in 2007.

Baylor is one of 45 public and private colleges and universities nationwide listed as a Best Buy in the 2008 edition of The Fiske Guide to Colleges.

I can’t argue W/L records when the level of competition is the likes of Oklahoma, OKState, TTech, Texas, TAMU every year. I can only expect there would have been more Ws if the competition was UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming, Air Force.

I’m not asking you to “accept” Baylor as a new member in the MWC, I’m just saying I think they would be an asset to any conference. They have an electrifying QB and WR tandem that, if healthy, will score a lot of points. I checked the schedule, and Baylor goes to TCU early in the season. That should be a good measuring stick for you. TCU is a top 5 or top 10 program and there is a rivalry aspect to the game.

I personally believe the MWC should elevate their athletic competitiveness by looking at Baylor, Kansas, Houston and Missouri.

by TXRevolver on Jun 12, 2010 5:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Academics are good

and having a football team that is only bad because of competition could make a compelling argument, but the TV Market for Baylor kills them. Any conference that invites Baylor automatically loses money for each school. With us being a Non-BCS conference we don’t make the revenue to pick up the slack. That is the main reason I think Baylor will end up in the Sun Belt is because C-USA, MWC, WAC, all of them can’t afford to have a school plunging them in the red like the Big 12 could. The Sun Belt is pretty much the conference for all the schools that want 1-A status but can’t get into any other 1-A conference. Would make sense for Baylor to drop to there.

UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Jun 12, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Truth be told, Waco isn’t a bad market, and it’s big enough and close enough to the D/FW marketplace to be worth a sniff, but it’s certainly no Houston.

Personally, I think that C-USA will lose a school or two and Baylor will fill one of the gaps.

Though personally I’d love to see Baylor’s conference finale game against the Mean Green of UNT in person. I’d buy one of those fancy $7 UNT tickets.

by HawkeyedFrog on Jun 12, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but

Baylor has zero pull in Dallas. It is a Texas and Texas A&M town.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 14, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although the level of competition is rough, every other team in the Big 12 made bowl games. Apart from Tech, Okie State and Iowa State, every team in the Big 12 made BCS bowl games.

And though it’s true that there is a natural historical rivalry with Baylor, it’s also true that TCU alumni are incredibly bitter towards Baylor scraping into the Big 12 by the skin of Ann Richards’ teeth. TCU alums and boosters don’t want to provide Baylor with a nice cushy landing spot after they wasted their opportunity in the Big 12, they want to see Baylor struggle through the wilderness like every other leftover from the SWC had to.

I feel genuinely bad for Iowa State, Kansas, K-State and Mizzou being left behind, because I’ve felt what it’s like to be a castoff and be unwanted. With Baylor… It’s 15 years overdue. Prove your worth in the boonies, make a few bowl games and make yourself a desirable candidate like TCU and Houston did and in a few years we’ll see if tempers have faded.

by HawkeyedFrog on Jun 12, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome on board to Colorado – they certainly waited long enough for the invitation. Personally I’m excited for match-ups in the new conference. Truth be told I thought the PAC as it was had gotten a little stale.

by Howard Keele on Jul 22, 2011 2:36 AM PDT reply actions  


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