How fun would it be to watch a 12 team MWC conference
by rebelfan1 on Feb 15, 2010 8:59 PM PST
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I've been thinking lately about how much fun this league really could be to watch if we expanded. Let's assume Boise St, Fresno St, and Houston join. The Divisions would be as follows:
West Division: Boise St, Fresno St, San Diego St, UNLV, BYU, Utah.
East Division: Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, TCU, Houston.
If the MWC divides the scheduling up by, you vs. everyone in your division once and you vs. three random teams in the other division once, then here are what the schedules would probably look like for conference play (not put in any order, teams in other division chosen randomly):
Boise St.: BYU, Utah, Fresno St, San Diego St, UNLV, Colorado St, Wyoming, TCU
Fresno St: Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, UNLV, Utah, Air Force, Houston, New Mexico
San Diego St: Boise St, UNLV, Fresno St, BYU, Utah, Colorado St, Air Force, Houston
UNLV: San Diego St, Boise St, Fresno St, BYU, Utah, Houston, Air Force, New Mexico
BYU: UNLV, Fresno St, Boise St, Utah, San Diego St, TCU, Wyoming, Colorado St
Utah: BYU, Boise St, UNLV, San Diego St, Fresno St, Wyoming, TCU, New Mexico
Wyoming: Air Force, New Mexico, TCU, Houston, Colorado St, BYU, Utah, Boise St
Air Force: TCU, Houston, Colorado St, Wyoming, New Mexico, Fresno St, San Diego St, UNLV
Colorado St: Air Force, TCU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Houston, Boise St, San Diego St, BYU
New Mexico: Wyoming, Houston, TCU, Air Force, Colorado St, Fresno St, UNLV, Utah
TCU: Houston, Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force, BYU, Boise St, Utah
Houston: TCU, Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico, Fresno St, San Diego St, UNLV
This is just the conference schedule, non-conference could shoot up for us before expansion.
Most teams look like they have a pretty nice conference schedule. East Division would obviously be the weakest because it only has one of the big 4 compared to the west division. Let's look at publicity matchups, there are 20 total matchups on this schedule that could draw a crowd, this is including the marquee matchups and the mid-major matchups, such as TCU-Houston, Air Force, Wyoming. That is 20 good CONFERENCE SEASON games. The only good thing about the MWC TV deal is that you have no issue finding a conference game if you have all of their channels, I mean they are channels that are hard to find but if you have them, then you get every single conference game, even if that is SDSU vs. UNM. If we could reorder our tv contract to somehow include ESPN, then we would have games that the polls might turn to if some marquee SEC matchup turns into a blowout, we would get alot more publicity and I think it would actually boost the Mtn's viewership. Anyway, this means more money to athletic departments from selling out stadiums for different games.
If we expand to 12 teams I will seriously step up my viewing of MWC college football, As of right now I tune in for the 3 marquee matchups and sometimes if there is no other good college football game on, I'll see which game is on the Mtn. I mean, that is 20 good games that there will be.
Now the reason we expand to 12 and not 10 is to improve the competitiveness in our league so that we can keep the teams that are part of the Pac-10 and Big 10 expansion rumors if they get an invite... Are you going to move to the Pac-10 where you are going to be a mid-major and not be going to BCS Bowls, or are you going to stay in the MWC where there are 20 good games all season long and you are at the top of the conference... I would stay in the MWC for money reasons (going to BCS bowls gets you lots of cash). It would be alot of fun to watch how the conference plays out during conference play...
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Divisions
I think the divisions would need to be set up without geography, because having Utah, BYU, and Boise in one division is tough will TCU has only Houston to worry about and sometimes Air Force.
I agree.
We wouldn’t want to create a Big XII disparity between divisions from the get-go.
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I with The Mtn didn't suck.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 16, 2010 7:27 AM PST reply actions
I like it!
One change I would make…. Swap Boise St. to the East Division for New Mexico….
Boise, Wyoming, CSU, Air Force, TCU, and Houston – East
Utah, BYU, New Mexico, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV – West
That keeps all the big rivalries intact, two heavy hitters in each division, and creates a new rivalry in TCU v. Houston
I agree
I think that would work quite nicely to keep rivalries intact and to keep football divisions fair.
But what would you do with basketball?
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by Role Player on Feb 16, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
They travel a ton anyway...
I’m sure they’d get over it.
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I wouldn't move UNM to the West for Boise.
UNM is the closest school to Texas in the MWC.
Personally, I like a non-geographical setup with cross-division rivalries, so you put half of the following pairs in each division:
Utah/BYU
CSU/UW
UNLV/SDSU
Fresno/Boise
TCU/Houston
AF/UNM
Put AF in CSU’s division, UW in BYU’s division, and Fresno in SDSU’s division so they can play both of their rivals every year.
So the divisions would (hypothetically) look like this:
Mountain division:
Utah
Fresno
TCU
CSU
AF
SDSU
Mesa division:
BYU
Boise
Houston
UW
UNM
UNLV
This way every school gets a game every other year in CA and TX (just like now with SDSU and TCU) plus 1 year in 3 they’ll have an extra game in CA or TX.
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by displacedute on Feb 19, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
How is the travel a problem?
Seems to me that the travel is pretty much the same in either case, but my way you’re guaranteed a TX and CA game every other year, and that’s important for Utah, BYU, CSU and UNM (who all recruit both of those states).
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by displacedute on Feb 23, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
I like it, Rammies
It does everything you say it would. And the new TCU Houston rivalry would be a good one.
Basketball
BBall is a bit of a problem with adding Boise, Houston, and Fresno…. they are all pretty poor but correct me if I’m wrong, you wouldn’t do divisions for basketball…. and you’d still have a great tournament at the end of the season.
Another option is to bring in a slightly better basketball school instead of someone else…
Maybe you bring in Utah St. instead of Fresno St. – Full disclosure, I know very little about Utah St. but they are leading the WAC this year. Also, Utah and BYU play Utah St. every year anyway, so adding them to the conference would free up Utah and BYU to play a stronger out of conference schedule in football. And that is good news for the MWC.
Anyone from Utah care to shed some light on the subject? Could Utah St. compete in the MWC in athletics?
Football is where the benefit would be
So Utah State would not suffice. Maybe if Utah AND BYU get poached, and y’all need to keep some sort of TV presence in the state… And really, any discussions before the Pac 10 expands and the Big 12 recovers from getting poached are probably premature.
by commodore_dude on Feb 16, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
We're going to have these discussions...
because maybe if we do, we won’t get poached…or it just keeps our hopes up.
BTW, what is your connection to the MWC? Or from where does your interest come?
I'm a Rebel, but I bleed the cherry and silver of the Lobos.
Because I feel like y'all deserve an AQ slot with 12
And also, the more we get those passed out, the closer we get to eventually having an 8 or 16 team playoff, which would be awesome.
by commodore_dude on Feb 16, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Utah St. isn't anywhere near the level MWC Basketball is at...
And the reason that the conference is actually expanding is to gain an AQ bid from the BCS… Utah St. would do more harm then good in that point. It would free up Utah and BYU for better non-conference schedules, but it’s not like they have a horrible non-conference schedule right now, so that’s not so much an issue with Utah and BYU, who plays Texas next season.
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I agree with commodore_dude.
Football is the moneymaker. I was not thinking about changing who we would invite. I think those are the best three. It would be terrible to add Utah State.
Just to futher the discussion, I was asking how we would solve the problem of having a division with arguably the top five programs in the conference. Unfortunately, after I thought about it, I concluded that it would not be a big deal because those teams would play each other twice and the other divsion teams only once, resulting in stronger SOS and RPI ratings for the top programs. Since everyone could participate in the tournament it wouldn’t matter about that either.
I'm a Rebel, but I bleed the cherry and silver of the Lobos.
that is why their is only 120 fbs teams in college football.....
and 347(around that number) division 1 teams in college basketball. you need alot of money to run a fbs football team.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 17, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
119
semantics
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 17, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
there are 120
Western Ky is not FBS and South Alabama is coming up within a few years to join the AWESOME Sun Belt.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 27, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
depends
I think the Big XII or SEC has divisions, not sure.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 16, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Each is different.
Here in the SEC, there are divisions. The ranking within the division determines how the tournament seeds are set (i.e. there are 1W, 1E, 2W, 2E…etc.). In the Big XII, they use the division lines only to schedule (i.e. each team plays the teams in its division twice and the teams in the other division once). The standings are conference-wide.
I'm a Rebel, but I bleed the cherry and silver of the Lobos.
Houston
is decent in hoops. Boise is bad and Fresno is hit or miss.
by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 27, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
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