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Mountain West Football Week 13 What We Learned: Rose Bowl For TCU

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Air Force Falcons

The Falcons finished last week and are patiently waiting for the official invite from the Independence Bowl.

BYU Cougars

The Cougars seemed to have the Holy War all wrapped up with a 13-0 lead heading into the fourth quarter, but then Utah's offense decided to show up and scored 17 points and needed to block a field goal to beat BYU. BYU fell victim to an unfortunate play on a Utah punt which hit a BYU player in the hip on a ball they did not see. Then the outrage from BYU fans, seems to be warranted, when BYU intercepted a Jordan Wynn pass but then the ball was fumbled and recovered by Utah. However, even with video replay which seemed to confirm the knee of the BYU player was down and Utah kept the ball. San Diego State fans may be snickering a little bit since they had a similar play go against them when they played BYU earlier in the year.

The offensive play calling on the final drive baffles me, just running the ball. Call for a pass with a running back as an outlet to mix things up.

Colorado State Rams

Welcome to the off season!

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New Mexico Lobos

Time to start discussing the hotness of head coach Mike Locksley's seat; if he is not fired this off season next year will definitely be his last unless he shows serious improvement in the win category. All that needs to be said is that New Mexico played three quarterbacks who combined for this line: 9-20, 34 yards and an interception. I know TCU's defense is good, but really New Mexico. Injuries did play a part in the quarterback woes, but it was a revolving door each and every week.

San Diego State Aztecs

A typical Aztec win as they blew out UNLV. Quarterback Ryan Lindley had four touchdown passes to go along with 338 yards, plus we saw the return of freshman sensation running back Ronnie Hillman. Hillman rushed for 152 yards, one score and an eight yard average per carry. Aztecs finish the season 8-4 which is their best season in a long time and should be heading to the Poinsettia Bowl in their own stadium against Navy.

TCU Horned Frogs

TCU did not fall to the upset bug that bit Boise State and nearly took out Auburn, but rather they dominated New Mexico in a 66-17 route. The Horned Frogs are now heading to at least the Rose Bowl most likely against Wisconsin, and if Auburn or Oregon slip up next week then TCU is bound for Glendale, AZ in the BCS title game. Not much to say they did what they were supposed to do and that was to wax New Mexico.

UNLV Rebels

San Diego State's high powered offense was just too much for UNLV to deal with and barely got anything done on either side of the ball. Running back Tim Cornett was the best player for UNLV as he had 61 yards on 17 carries. The offense looked stagnant and the defense even worse. It will be interesting to see when UNLV takes on Hawai'i next week.

Utah Utes

The Ute offense looked bad, and why bring in backup Terrance Cain if he is just going to throw the ball and then gave up two picks. His best feature is to run the option and zone read as a threat to run the ball himself. The Ute offense finally showed life in the fourth quarter, but needed some help from an unaware BYU player where a bad punt hit him in the side unbeknown to him which Utah recovered. Then Utah was lucky enough to have a recovered a fumble go their way, even with an official review. The big play was Brandon Burton blocking the potential 42-yard game winning field goal, Burton was untouched on the edge.

Wyoming Cowboys

The Pokes are still celebrating their win over Colorado State

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After watching the UNM-TCU game I think

that Locksley HAS to be fired. I’ve been hopeful that he could turn it around and he seems like the kind of guy that young guys will rally around and he can obviously recruit (Calvin Smith).

But that was the worst coached football team I have ever witnessed. On multiple plays in the 1st quarter TCU wr’s were simply left completely uncovered!!! Getting outplayed by superior talent is one thing, but this team wasn’t ready to play and didn’t even no where to line up.

I think it is important for the MWC for UNM to be respectable and I think it’s completely do-able in ABQ, but Locksley just ain’t the guy.

"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator

by Ben Findley on Nov 28, 2010 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

The quarterback ran into the running back when making the exchange. Not “they fumbled because the ball was at the wrong level” he ran into the running back. That’s just bad coaching.

by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 28, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

Thanks for reminding me of that, I almost forgot. That was hysterical, I was crying laughing. Thank goodness for the “7 second rewind button” on DVR, I must have watched that ten times yesterday.

"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator

by Ben Findley on Nov 28, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

UNM's OC

Is North Texas’s old coach, I believe.

by VA Libertarian on Nov 28, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Dickey? S’a shame to see how he’s fallen, he ran a pretty good offense at UNT, had the nation’s leading rusher two years in a row.

by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 28, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Rock Long

Always had the team competitive and even came close to winning a few conference titles.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

"then Utah's offense decided to show up and scored 17 points"

Really? You sure it wasn’t that they had the ball inside the 40 for both of their td’s? Not to mention that the fumble was not because of anything Utah did and the INT fumble was completely false.

The records will say Utah won but BYU is clearly the better team. It’s nice to see your seniors needing the refs to beat a freshmen heavy BYU squad. Pansies.

by vaughnzipper on Nov 28, 2010 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

agree on fumble

It should have stayed BYU’s ball, however as a BYU fan you should choose your words carefully since you had an identical situation happen in the SDSU game where the better team lost because of a call that was not correctly made after reviewing the tape.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the instant replay on the fumble was correct and here is why...

First, I admit that I thought it was the wrong call at first. But I have a DVR and watched every view of the play repeatedly to try and see what happened and this is what I came up with.

It is true the replay showed the BYU player had his knee down. It did not show he had possession of the ball when his knee was down. After multiple viewings I think he did NOT have possession at the time his knee was down. Unfortunately I am not 100% sure, but If I were to bet I would say he did not have possession. Due to the uncertainty the correct call is to make the call on the field stand. Here are the reasons I say this.

1) There was no replay that gives 100% confirmation if BYU had possession at the time of the fumble; however, there is one very good angle that would have been perfect except for one thing. The ref was in the way. It is clear that the ref had an excellent view of what was happening. The ref is the only one who I believe got a 100% good view of who had possession. Therefore letting the play on the field stand is justified.

2) At the time the knee was down you can see the Utah player ripping the football away from the BYU player. The ball is up by the shoulder but you can not see the BYU players hand. If you slow motion forward a few frames you can see the ball being ripped away from the BYU player and the shot opens up to a clear view. If The BYU player had possession you would expect to see his hand there as the ball is ripped away. Instead you just see empty space. If you continue the frame on slow motion some more you see the BYU players hand on the ground bracing himself from the fall.

3) If you rewind the play you can see the BYU player running with the ball way out in space. He is not protecting the ball like he should.

All these things do not add up to 100% evidence; however, I do think they are enough to let the ruling on the field stand.

by daedalus17 on Nov 28, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

interesting take

I thought he was down but it was real close. That is where the conclusive evidence comes into play.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 11:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It takes conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field. I just don't think that was there.

If he had possession he was definitely down. I just don’t think there was evidence he had possession. I actually think there is evidence he did not have possession when his knee is down. None of the evidence is conclusive either way though.

The freeze frame the world saw showed him down, it showed the ball, but it does not show The BYU players hand anywhere near the ball. A split second before the ref is the only one with a clear view. A split second after and you see the ball coming out and you still don’t see the BYU players hand.

If I were in the booth I would have not reversed the call on the field, no matter which way the call on the field went. I think the ref was the only one who really got the full view.

by daedalus17 on Nov 28, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You're clearly not seeing the shot from the endzone

Not only was his knee down but he was sitting on the ground before the ball even moved from his chest. His knee was down well before your TE had his hand on the ball trying to jar it loose.

by vaughnzipper on Nov 28, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Freeze it when the announcer says "one" at "one play after" and they circle his knee

His right index finger is covering the nose of the ball, tucked up to his shoulder. BYU ball. FrUtes lose.

by vaughnzipper on Nov 28, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the shot that I remember.

Yeah, you can’t see his whole hand, but you clearly see his finger around the ball. Even if the Ute player had a hand on the ball at that point, it still looked to me like no more than dual possession, which isn’t enough to call it a fumble.

by holly96 on Nov 28, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

that was the best shot

and it was really close. I thought he was down.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Choose my words carefully?

I’ve admitted the SDSU call was wrong. EVERY BYU fan would tell you that. 2 wrongs don’t make a right though Mauss.

You can’t justify that the frUtes or the Aztecs would have won the game. BYU was leading in both games at the time of the bad call. It’s a shame the refs and booth didn’t let the kids decide.

by vaughnzipper on Nov 28, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

i am not saying 2 wrongs equal a right

Just saying that a BYU fan would not get any sympathy from an Aztec fan for complaining on that call that is where I was coming from.

 Really? Name calling? Utah most likely would have lost without that fumble. As for SDSU who knows if they would have won but their offense is capable of scoring quickly.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 2:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

they still had to put the ball in the endzone

So, yes they decided to show up in comparison to what they had been doing all day.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Think what you will vaughn but that fumble didn't cost BYU the game

First of all, I think his knee was down and Utah got real lucky with the call but there are two things to consider: first of all, mistakes happen and BYU needs to realize the exact same thing happened in the SDSU game. I’m not saying two wrongs make a right or that this was karma for SDSU but referee’s are still human. I know that’s easy for me to say when my team won but it’s just a hard truth. Secondly, that player had NOTHING to gain by trying to return that pick. If your a defensive back playing a close game in the fourth quarter you’re taught to do ONE thing when you get an interception: down the ball right there. If he had done that, we have no controversy at all. I realize in the heat of the moment a player wants to make a big play and make the most of it but that was a mistake in awareness as much as it was a lucky call for Utah.
BYU lost that game because it didn’t have a killer instinct in the fourth quarter, not because of the fumble call
Even BYU fans are scratching their heads with Bronco Mendanhall’s decision to go for it on fourth down rather than kick an easy field goal. Given that was a decision early in the game, it’s hard to pit all the blame on that one decision but BYU ‘s play calling near the end was VERY conservative in the fourth quarter: In short that’s what Utah to rally in the fourth.
plus, look at the last play of the game: The hero of the game Brandon Burton was untouched when he made that block: that speaks to a lack of execution on BYU’s special teams unit. Blocks happen (not a lot) but you would think BYU would play it very safe on that last field goal.

My point is the players aren’t making excuses Vaughn so neither should you.

Fear the MUSS!!

by GambitUte on Nov 28, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Excuses? Where?

You’re the one using “excuses” to explain why the call went your way.

2 things for you and Mauss to consider….

1) I didn’t and don’t agree with BYU getting the ball in SDSU game.

2) Either way, if the replays were called correctly (SDSU getting the ball, BYU getting the ball) there’s nothing that SDSU or Utah could provide to “prove” that they would have won the game. BYU had the lead at the time that both of those plays occurred. Point is, let the players decide the game… not the refs or the booth.

Gambit, are you trying to coach me? Hey, how about coaching your “star” QB recruits to not throw picks. Are you serious? Your frUte made way more mistakes than BYU, especially if that’s the one you’re going to point the finger at. What a tool.

by vaughnzipper on Nov 28, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I was okay with going for it (it's only in hindsight that I second guessed that).

What I did have a problem with was the play call (though if Hoffmann had caught that, I would have been thrilled).

by holly96 on Nov 28, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

not to be that guy

But Utah scored more points and had your line blocked Brandon Burton or decided to kick a short field goal to go up 9-0 this conversation is irrelevant.

Plus last time I checked 10-2 trumps 6-6.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh Mauss

your frUte goggles are hilarious. Enjoy your 10-2(*) season. I love the nosedive from #5 to #20, down another to #21 today. What happened to your NC that you were beaming about heading into the TCU game? At least our team isn’t being called “frauds” by every analyst.

by vaughnzipper on Nov 28, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I never said Utah had a shot at the NC

Yeah they were over ranked but at least they were ranked. I could do the same for BYU by adding an asterisk for the SDSU win that was aided by some BYU alumni.

Tell me again where BYU was ranked? I seem to have forgotten.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Can someone explain "frUte" to me?

Honestly, this rivalry comes up with the stupidest nicknames, on both sides. I truly don’t understand why I should be offended by “Zoobie” and I don’t understand why Utah should be offended at “frUtes”.

by holly96 on Nov 28, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Zoobie has a meaning that is true and funny.

FrUte is kind of funny because it is a name an elementary school kid would come up with. So you are right, it doesn’t bother me.

by daedalus17 on Nov 28, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell is a Frute anyway?

At least try to spell you insults correctly like frUiT(e)s or something

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 29, 2010 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Serious?

Wow you are a moron! BYU the better team? I think you need to look at the team records and stats. Seems to me Utah has the upper hand just saying

by Matt Harris on Nov 28, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I would say BYU is the better team.

But I did feel like BYU played better most of the game, and has the better QB (at least going forward).

And really, records aside, I don’t think either team really has a lot to gloat about. That game could have gone either way.

by holly96 on Nov 28, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that statement

In that game BYU was better for the most part, but for the season Utah was better overall. The QB situation for me is leaning toward Heaps, Wynn has not shown a lot of improvement. However, remember he has not played many games.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 28, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You knew some BYU clown would show up...

BYU has never actually lost a game right zipperhead?

I take it you weren’t over-rated when you struggled to beat an unranked Utah team in 2006 & 2007?

BYU required curriculum must include Hypocrisy 101 and “how to live in the present but believe it is the past”.

Thanks for the laugh…besides the one your football team has provided all year, I mean.

by Middy_U on Nov 28, 2010 6:33 PM PST reply actions  


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