REPORT: Hawai'i To Join Mountain West Conference As Football Only Member
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 6:56 PM PST
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Looks like the expansion front is not over as a report coming out of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that Hawai'i has been offered to join the Mountain West in football only and the other sports in the Big West. The report says that Mountain West officials had a meeting today to approve adding Hawai'i as a football-only member of the conference. A press conference is being held tonight at 7 p.m. Hawai'i time which is midnight eastern to make the announcement.
I am skeptical of this because Craig Thompson has said multiple times that to be a member of the Mountain West schools must participate in football, mens and women's basketball and women's volley ball. During the summer when BYU was making their move to go independent Craig Thompson said there would be no concessions made to BYU to keep them in the league. There were suggestions of BYU going independent in football with other sports staying in the Mountain West, but that was not an option according to Craig Thompson.
This is either a move to ultimately rip apart the WAC, who just assumed they shored up their league by adding Texas State, University of Texas at Austin for football and Denver for non-football sports. Also, this could be a move if TCU goes to the Big East for football only while keeping the rest of the sports in the Mountain West, or this could be nothing.
The Big West is known as the California Bus League and I am not sure how these schools who bus to -- I think -- all of their games can now afford to go to Hawai'i one a year for basketball, soccer, volleyball or baseball. Only Cal Poly and UC-Davis have football and they are on the FCS level.
If there is a press conference tonight at 7 p.m. Hawai'i time which again is midnight on the east coast stay tuned here for that.
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Hawaii would be a great add as a football team.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 6:58 PM PST reply actions
No!
Why doesn’t Craig Thompson read our long thought out ideas about expansion instead of making crappy decisions like this? Also, if this is true then they must be considering a 12th member as 11 does not work well.
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 7:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Hawaii
Was a conference mate of a lot of MWC teams for a long time in the old WAC (pre-16-team) days.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, and part of the reason the MWC was formed was because they were tired of paying travel costs to Hawaii.
Granted, being football only mitigates much of that. Travel costs are going to be horrible for the Big West.
yup
they are mainly a bus league.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Considering
That Hawaii was with the MWC teams (sans UNLV) for 25 years before the MWC was formed, I’m gonna say that’s some revisionist history right there.
The MWC was formed because the WAC was too big and added a bunch of poorly-competitive teams across a massive geographical footprint.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
There's a reason Hawaii was left out, though.
They were competitive in football, but the travel is killer.
Again
That’s a revisionist view. Cost was a part of the equation, but it wasn’t the main reason by any stretch or means for leaving Hawaii out.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
I never said it was the main reason.
And you can’t tell me if travel wasn’t an issue that the MWC would have been much more likely to want Hawaii.
Hawaii
Was down in sports at the time, and coming off football seasons of:
1998: 0-12
1997: 3-9
1996: 2-10
1995: 4-8
1994: 3-8-1
My recollection of the split was that a lot of it was motivated by the desire to have better competition.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that was definitely most of it.
But all the schools hated the travel. That definitely played a role, IMO, even if not a main one.
I don't deny
That it played a role, but I don’t like how people just say “travel costs” as if it was the reason. It was a part of the reason, but their football record had more to do with it. And that football record (and other sports sucking) coupled with travel costs was a deal-breaker.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Right, we agree.
I never meant to imply that it was the main reason. Just that it was an issue (however large or small), and the schools certainly weren’t sad to get rid of those costs.
The travel was killer for the non-profit sports
With it only being football, the cash made will pay for the extra travel.
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They did it for 25 years, however
It wasn’t just travel costs.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea how the costs will end up balancing, but I think you're right.
The non-profit sports is the definitely the bulk of the travel issue.
It will be interesting to see if there actually is a press conference...
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 7:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Maybe nobody wanted BYU around so they just told them that
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions
haha
excellent comment
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Serious Question:
Do you think BYU regrets their decision to go Independent?
You know this boogie is for real.
Yep.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they'll leave San Diego now that BYU isn't coming here anymore.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
One can only hope
I wonder if Hawaii was about to go independent (which would help BYU) and the MWC made this move out of pure spite.
None that I've seen are.
Some are still unsure, but I don’t think any of these moves change any of the reasons BYU made that decision in the first place.
not short term
They get decent money from ESPN deal, but still just as tough to go to BCS game I think hoops will regret it when they join the WCC and realize it is a tow bid league max.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Follow this guy on twitter
He is a sports radio host on ESPN Hawaii and is in the know.
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KITV also reporting this
http://www.kitv.com/sports/25845791/detail.html
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Farewell, WAC. It's been a nice run, really.
This will probably put the nail in the coffin for the WAC as a serious competitor to the MWC. LaTech may now jump ship to a more local conference, and that leaves the WAC as the Sun Belt of the west.
The one huge benefit to the MWC is that a roadie to Hawaii allows you to have a 13th regular season game. That can translate into extra revenue for half of the conference every year.
depends on Idaho
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
not sure
But, it is a WAC contract even though played on Boise State’s home field. My thinking was that maybe the WAC would like to keep a bowl near a local team.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Right now, the WAC has to hold on to everything it can possibly keep.
You’re right; the contracts with bowl games are by conference, not by host stadium. But I’m sure the Humanitarian would love to switch to a MWC tie-in.
I think the key for the Humanitarian is order of preference. For example, would you prefer to host the WAC #3 or the MWC #7? (I just pulled those numbers out of air; adjust as you see fit.)
by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
It's contractual
and the bowls are officially independent “non-profits” If there is a contract with the WAC, they would have to get out of that contract. Most of the contracts with the smaller bowls are fairly short term, and most have “outs”.
BUT….of course in any local bowl there are fans and alumns of local schools, and the bowls also want that local support and tie ins for their bowls too.
So..all that for: It’s all negotiable.
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got that right
I can see La. Tech going to the Sun Belt and then Idaho, New Mexico State, Utah State, and San Jose State either go independent, stay with UTSA and Texas State and grab another team or the worst case scenario for some of those schools would be to drop to FCS.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think a LaTech-to-CUSA, UTEP-to-MWC move is wide open now.
CUSA would become considerably more compact and UTEP would fit in nicely with New Mexico.
Another possibility is SMU in place of UTEP. I know that TCU isn’t hot on that idea, but I think it’d be better for the conference than TCU gives credit for.
by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
SMU
I think will get a TCU veto, and I’m sure that the MWC will want to keep TCU as happy as they can.
Now if TCU leaves for the Big Least, than SMU becomes FAR more valuable.
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Do you think the addition of Hawaii would deter the Texas CUSA schools from joining?
You know this boogie is for real.
Not so fast
Now that I think about it,the loss of Hawaii and the addition of the Texas schools makes the WAC footprint more manageable.
Couldn’t they just pilfer Sun Belt schools and split into an East/West format? (granted they could get NCAA exemptions for all the longevity rules)
I'd say just the opposite
it makes it FAR cheaper and profitable to be in the WAC
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presser live
It will be streamed online at http://espn1420am.com/ and video at http://www.khon2.com/default.aspx
If the tv side allows to embed the live stream Ill have that up as well.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 7:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
The press conference is real… I’m starting to think this is actually happening.
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 8:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Damn Flash Player
I’m on the road and could only listen to the presser through my iPhone… Of course Apple platforms don’t support flash, can someone post a comment here letting me know what happened after the presser?
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 8:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm excited for the competition side
Now we need to make travel easier on the schools furthest east by adding UTEP/SMU to form divisions.
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 8:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
or Houston...
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Let's not start this again...
Got a little heated last time around…
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
that right
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Texas!
(what could possibly go wrong?) ;-)
by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
I thought it was a great debate
I didn’t get the heated part.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 8:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I have to believe this move came at the recommendation of the three new schools.
The one thing I wonder is if the revenue benefit of the 13th game outweighs the cost of travel to the islands. If so, this was a good move for a conference that still needs to watch its budget.
The other upside is that Hawaii games often get isolated late-hour billing on ESPN thanks to its time zone. Perhaps this helps the MWC negotiate a better deal with ESPN for airtime.
not going to happen
MWC will not redo tv deal to be on ESPN. The league can redo the current deal money wise depending on if the league gains teams or loses teams.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm listening to the Hawai'i ESPN radio
and I’m reminded how much I can’t stand them and want to crush them!
“We’ve done a lot for the WAC”
Like embarrassing us in the Sugar Bowl…
You know this boogie is for real.
Wow so was this....
A move to kill the WAC?
A move to keep trying for the AQ?
A move to make the conference more stable, and if does that mean another addition is coming?
another team has to come for FB
11 teams is a bad number, so a 12th will be added. It does kill off the WAC. 5 teams left and La. Tech will certainly go to the Sun Belt and be a force there, or maybe C-USA if UTEP goes to MWC as 12th team.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Can we please get someone more interesting than another Texas team
Unless it’s Texas, of course. lol.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
"Another Texas team"
There’s all of 1 in the conference.
And who do you think you’re going to lure in? One of the Pac-12 schools? There’s nothing in the WAC worth grabbing, and expanding east of Texas is incredibly silly.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
idk
UTEP or Houston aren’t the most exciting names in teh world
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Houston makes the most sense
as long as TCU stays.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
UTEP...
would be great for reducing travel cost and adding more historic tradition into the MWC, and yeah they are no Boise St, but to be honest there are no more major schools that are not in either the MWC or an AQ conference.
Again
Who do you think you’re going to lure in?
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
and still they will make about
$10 million off that deal. The MWC would offer about $2 million.
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lol
$8 million has nothing to with friendships…unless hookers are “friends”
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I think the first two for sure
Also, I agree with the earlier commentor who said it could also be spite at BYU. I am actually pretty happy with this turn of events, at least if TCU stays. Karl Benson must be so pissed right now.
by Cougarflounder on Nov 19, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
this makes a lot of sense for both sides
Hawaii doesn’t get banished to the 1-A wasteland that the WAC had already become even before their departure, and MWC doesn’t have to deal with the logistical nightmare that is Hawaii’s other sports.
FWIW, what Thompson really meant was that MWC wasn’t willing to be TCU/Big East’s bitch and be the receptacle for TCU’s other sports if football wasn’t part of the deal. I doubt anyone in the league office minds getting Hawaii as a football only team.
Did not think of that
Having them as football only makes a lot of sense as you said with that extra game.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
How dumb does Utah St feel for turning down the MWC invite???
I mean Fresno, Nevada and now Hawaii have all bolted….
Doesn’t this killed their basketball auto-bid to the NCAA tourney for the next few year?
they were being trustworthy
and figured the rest would stay put with that $5 million penalty.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
too many teams
I think once South Alabama goes that is 11 teams and then 12 to get UTSA who has said they will be FBS.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
plus
If La. Tech bolts to CUSA neither school has a place to go.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm lost
The Sun Belt only has 9 teams plus South Alabama on the way up so 10 why couldn’t they add both Texas St and UTSA? Are you assuming they’ll add LA tech and New Mexico St?
No,
I thought S. Alabama brought them to 11
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
UTSA and Texas St to the Sun Belt
they’ll be at ten by adding South Alabama but they could pick up LA Tech and/or NM St
I think
It’d be a good move for those two schools, and it’d certainly make more geographic sense given travel concerns.
You’d have a split of:
West
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
Louisiana-Monroe
Louisiana-Lafayette
Arkansas State
East
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
South Alabama
Troy
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky
I actually think that given their size, UTSA and Texas State are better additions than La. Tech and NMSU, too.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
But...
if UCF goes to the Big East then I bet CUSA replaces them with Troy witch could leave the door open for LA Tech to join the Sun Belt too.
West
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
Louisiana-Monroe
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Tech
East
Arkansas State
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
South Alabama
Middle Tennessee State
Western Kentucky
Possibly
Troy’s pretty decent at football, but a wash in other sports.
And who knows, if UCF leaves too, maybe the C-USA would be happy with just 10 teams.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
To me
It would have made more sense for both conferences to stay at 10 teams then. One cross-conference title game instead of a pair of conference title games and a cross-conference championship. Now we’re talking about 16 games potentially if a team plays Hawai’i in Honolulu.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
ya but the 13th game is an option....
but I know what you mean however Air Force would be pissed if they stayed at 10
They can be at 10 teams
And play 8 conference games.
And you’re still talking 15 games guaranteed in a sport where most play 13.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
honestly
we are talking about 1 more game, most of the conferences have/are getting CCGs (except the Big12 ironically)
That's still 1 more game they can lose
And 1 more game they can get injuries.
And with Hawai’i, you’re talking about going from 13-16 games for MWC teams.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hawaii would join in 2012
Depending on what La. Tech does, but the current teams are:
Utah State
Idaho
New Mexico State
San Jose State
La. Tech
Denver (hoops)
UTSA
Texas State
Yes, their auto bid would be out because you have to have six teams for I think 5 years and this version of the WAC would not have that.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wow...
That’s a sorry looking conference. Talk about rejects.
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
Yeah...
Just looking at that list made me vomit a little. When La Tech or the Vandals look like they could have a shot at going undefeated in-conference, what does that say about the WAC?
by Cougarflounder on Nov 19, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
I think they may have Seattle for everything but football in addition to Denver with Montana turning them down. Or at least that was the plan.
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by BacksThePack on Nov 19, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
1999:
1 New Mexico
2 Wyoming
3 Colorado State
4 San Diego State
5 Air Force
6 UNLV
2005:
7 TCU
2011:
8 Boise State
2012:
9 Fresno State
10 Nevada
11 Hawaii & Gonzaga for non-football sports
12 Utah State – (need a team in the market)
Mountain
Texas Christian
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Utah State
West
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego State
Fresno State
Hawaii/ (Gonzaga)
The WAC football:
San Jose State
Idaho
Texas State – back to 1-AA
UT-San Antonio & New Mexico State to Sun Belt giving them 12 teams with South Alabama.
Louisiana Tech can replace Central Florida (Big East) in the C-USA.
LA Tech can't be in CUSA East....
I bet they would go after Troy since CUSA has no teams in Alabama.
The Cry baggies will never be in the MWC
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by BacksThePack on Nov 19, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
oops, wrong reply, meant to the tangent starter
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by BacksThePack on Nov 19, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe just as/more important than adding Boise has been the MWC adding depth to the league.
You know this boogie is for real.
very true
the teams that are being added are right in line with Air Force just above or just below.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Now no one can say that we are just a league with a few good teams and the rest are bottom feeders…
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Since no one is following the AFA - UNLV game, I'll give you guys an upset alert
17-14 Rebels… Can you say screwing up this week’s pick em?
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 8:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Hawaii
high jacked the open thread
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
I bet the Big Sky is excited....
that they may have a crack at adding Idaho/Utah St/San Jose St/New Mexico St into their new D1-AA monopoly.
I think only Idaho or New Mexico St
Goes back. USU is expanding their stadium so that is not going to happen. Who knows with SJSU.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
So this presser is supposed to happen in 10 minutes?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 8:49 PM PST reply actions
yes
It will be streamed online at http://espn1420am.com/ and video at http://www.khon2.com/default.aspx
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently some TCU boards are saying TCU to Big East is a done deal.
Which I guess would imply that this was simply a move by the MWC to replace them.
Who knows whether or not that’s true.
that makes some sense
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
wow. I guess they needed the football team bad enough to take all sports.
You know this boogie is for real.
allegedly
all we have is a bunch of tcu fans speculating
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Pac-12 is dumping washington st
adding sdsu. (hey why not)
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Anything that produced Ryan Leaf
should be dumped
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
They'd get to play weaker teams and get a bigger reward
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
yup
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
and have 37 other conference members to play in basketball
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Probably just wishful thinking
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Hawaii doesn't really count
"It takes no talent to give great effort" -Chris Petersen
"It's hard to imagine a more complete football team than Boise State" - Kirk Herbstreit
by JRig on Nov 18, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
better point
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
video presser
http://www.khon2.com/content/mediacenter/livestream.aspx?videoId=7077&navCatId=4
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Hey so....
if TCU is gone…couldn’t the MWC kill the WAC offically by adding Utah St and UTEP with CUSA taking LA Tech and just dissolve the conference allowing the new conference lineup to begin next year with no exit fees? And if so could that lineup, including TCU’s stats all go towards the MWC’s 2012 AQ evaluation?
I think WAC
Is already dead with this move.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
but yes
make if official by your suggestions.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
???
Doesn’t matter football is all what matter.
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I know
They must not care.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Or they kick out some of the basketball schools like DePaul.
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on Nov 19, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
They'd add 1 more
And make it 18 teams.
Then they’d play an 18-game schedule for basketball, with 17 games as part of a round-robin and 1 extra game against a rival.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
It's official!
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UNLV is going 5-8 this year!
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Makes sense
Now we need to figure out a way to keep the horny toads
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
So....
Is it still possible to maybe steal Denver from the WAC too now for non-football sports? I know they just committed to moving to the WAC, but how binding is that?
It makes sense to balance out the non-football schedule, in my opinion.
Dever...
could work but Seattle would add another market that the future TV contracts would want….the Denver market is semi-wrapped up with Air Force and CO St
Future TV contracts
Aren’t going to come down to basketball very much, and Seattle would be a geographical outlier.
Also, as a resident of Denver, nobody cares about Air Force here. CSU… kinda. Mainly just the graduates though.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Also
Denver’s actually pretty good in most of its programs, with 20-something national championships. That’s some nice prestige.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
7 in men's hockey, too
Not that it’s a MWC sport, but still. It’s impressive. Second only to Michigan, if I recall.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 19, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
So, I guess ESPN and other 'big' sites
Will discuss this in the morning?
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by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That pretty much sums it up
I just checked the ticker on ESPN, they don’t even have it there.
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UNLV is going 5-8 this year!
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;)
by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is anyone watching the stream?
sounds like a TV blaring in the background
You know this boogie is for real.
yes
I got the same thing. Thought I had another browser open with something but no. Hopefully there will be a version to embed later.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Alabama beat up on Georgia St today
Man those SEC teams are the best at beating cupcakes
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions
I assume you'll be cheering for Alabama to beat Auburn next weekend...
;-)
by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
yep
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't SDSU
Play Nicholls State, New Mexico State, Utah State, New Mexico, Wyoming, and Colorado State this year? With a game left against UNLV?
….Thought so.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Only one of those schools are FCS
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
SJSU and Duke might as well be
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
New Mexico State and New Mexico
Might as well be, too. And at least Duke was decent last year.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
At least we beat a whole state's worth of football teams
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're underestimating Georgia State
If they didn’t have to play Alabama this year, then they might be a quality win. I look at this as a statement win for the Crimson Tide.
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
and so much for that UNLV upset...
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 9:25 PM PST reply actions
its 28-20 now
UNLV has the ball.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
Various sites are starting to report that Boise State will be playing Georgia in the Chik-Fil-A Kickoff Classic in Atlanta next year.
http://www.fbschedules.com/2010/11/boise-state-georgia-in-2011-chick-fil-a-college-kickoff/
I saw that too
not official but looks that way.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
hopefully
Boise does better then last time they played Georgia.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Playing in the Georgia Dome
Won’t be fun, but I’ll be pulling for the Broncos. That place gets loud as shit, and Georgia cares about UGA way more than DC cares about Virginia Tech.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think
Boise State can pull it off. And it’ll be a nice opportunity to shut up some of the Boise-haters from around the area.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
I just recently moved to Northern Alabama
Most people have no idea that I have ties to the MWC and start beating up on Boise. It’s ridiculous the amount of bias there is for the SEC in the south…
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;)
by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If you really want to see SEC fans riled up
Start talking about the ACC. They’ll give Boise props over the ACC any day of the week.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Woot!
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, apparently BSU cancelled their game against Ole Miss to do so, and the
speculation is that BYU will be filling their spot in Ole Miss’s schedule. I don’t think anything’s been officially announced.
i asked in the fan shot thing, but do you know much about their team for next year?
You know this boogie is for real.
They have a lot of young guys
But they’re probably losing AJ Green to the draft.
Georgia’s a hard read every year, so I honestly don’t know.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
maybe not
He is considering staying with the potential of an NFL lock out.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
(granted, that was 20 minutes ago, but I just now checked it)
by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
ha
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
just teasing of course
Gotta head to bed though. Durn EST.
’night all. Enjoy the wackiness.
by David Hooper on Nov 18, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I know
good night
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
I have to get on a plane to fly back to Vegas in the morning...
I’m going to bed.
Side Note: On the UNLV-AFA game they have not mentioned Hawaii to the MWC at all but they just did a recap of the Cam Newton scandal.
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by rebelfan1 on Nov 18, 2010 9:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
no
just the text message stuff about the payment plan, but the guy does not have the phone. However, I think with the FBI involved they could get those from the cell phone carrier.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
What? lol
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 18, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Auburn won't be going undefeated
Does that count?
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Well, technically
All their wins will be vacated . . . next year.
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Yeah
But no way do they get past Bama and South Carolina with all this going on.
This is actually brewing into a perfect storm for my Gamecocks. Sugar Bowl, baby!
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling thought that he has amasses such amazing stats that he has the Heisman in the bag even if they lose the next two.
You know this boogie is for real.
It's possible
But someone was pointing out the other day ago (I forget who. Schlabach? Forde?) that the Heisman Trust may be hesitant to vote for him given the recent Reggie Bush fiasco.
I’d still favor him to win, but I think James and Moore have a shot at it.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
And Blackmon
That kid is tearing it up. But he’ll need the Cowboys to get to 12-1 or 11-2 to have a shot.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
i saw that
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Wow got back home from work and........ Why does everything happenes when i'm working
If Hawaii leaves WAC in basketball, WAC loses its tourny bid, good bye WAC.
I thought Hawaii will go Indy and schedule MWC teams like ND does with Big East.
As far removed as Hawai'i is geographically
It makes sense to look for guaranteed conference games.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Schedule
With an ESPN help and a contract for those late night games with guaranteed TV time for their opponents with the 13th game rule plus the 4 independent could have easily filled up a schedule.
Meh
I’m not sold on that being easy, and it’s certainly a lot of work every year. I have a friend who worked in the sports information office when I was in school, and she said it was hard enough filling South Carolina’s 4 OOC games.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I just happended to be online
When I saw the news.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Brutal
All the more reason to hurry up and add that 12th team and have a conference championship game.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
at the very least dont make a team play 12 straight weeks. bad move mwc.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
CSU as well
played 12 in a row.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Lol reading the Nevada forums
Alot of mixed feelings right now.
Now do we get USU, UTEP, SMU or Houston or this is a move to prepare for TCU departure.
Boy I hope the first one is correct.
No matter what happens for Nevada, Boise State, Fresno State
The rest of the MWC is still a big upgrade over the rest of the WAC. Just keep looking at it that way.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
i completely agree
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
this debate again?
We know how that last one turned out between UTEP and Houston. First I hope this is not a move to replace TCU, and second I prefer Houston. They are a good program and a travel partner for TCU, however I could see USU since Comcast cable is in the whole state. However, once a channel is on a certain lineup it takes time to get it off or move it around to a higher tier (i think)
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
SMU
History of football greatness. Maybe would help keep TCU in the conference. Big sports budget for a non-AQ conference school.
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
SMU
Might actually push TCU out of the conference. They’ve made it clear they don’t want SMU in.
I think TCU’s preference is probably Houston.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Houston is a flash in the pan
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
And TCU will get over their SWC tiff if some money is thrown their way
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
?
A.) They still play nearly every year, so it’s not about the SWC
B.) Where would this money come from?
I think TCU’s opposition to SMU stems more from not wanting to share their market with a conference mate . This is especially relevant with recruits.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
If they play every year anyway, then they are already competing for the same recruits
Money comes from TV. Somebody’s gotta replace Utah/BYU as the justification for TV money.
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not anti-SMU
I just don’t see how it in any way makes sense if TCU’s opposed to it.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
If the money isn't there
which it won’t be once the TV contracts are up, TCU is gone anyway.
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
The money would be there regardless of SMU then
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
You mean the money won't be there?
SMU has the biggest following out of Houston, SMU and USU.
TCU is probably gone anyway, isn’t it? Blerg.
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
If the money is there
It’ll be there whether SMU joins or not.
If it’s not there…
It’ll be the same whether SMU joins or not.
What’s the attraction in adding SMU if there’s already a team in that market? I love talking about the history of SMU as much as the next person, but at this point they haven’t been relevant in 30 years.
There’s really no value in adding SMU unless TCU is leaving (to replace the DFW market), but even that doesn’t mean that adding them is the right move.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying its Ohio State
Three choices were given. I think SMU would be the best. That’s it.
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by marktgarten on Nov 18, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
If TCU leaves
UTEP is the best fit, in my opinion, though SMU could fill the gap in the DFW market if the MWC then adds 2 teams. If TCU stays, UTEP and/or Houston are both better choices than SMU.
UTEP for its history with conference mates, geographic location, facilities, and local support.
Houston since it’s another market and has potential.
SMU has it’s positives, such as being a historic football power, a nicer stadium than anyone in the MWC, and killer academics. However, it doesn’t do anything in terms of adding a market, and geographically, it’s an outlier.
My biggest question, however, is that if TCU leaves, why would SMU even want in? The MWC wouldn’t be getting AQ status at that point, and travel becomes a bitch for SMU and its conference mates.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 19, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
I fully agree
But I’m not sold on SMU adding much value. And I grew up rooting for SMU in Dallas.
My preference is UTEP for a number of reasons.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
They already have a lot of WAC/MWC connections as well
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
out of who is avalible
They are the best option.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Says you
There’s a pretty sizable UTEP contingent, if I recall.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
really where'd you see that....
I mean they play them every year so why wouldn’t they want to put them in the conference so they could have easier travel and more OOC games?
I've just heard it from TCU fans
I’m not sold that it’s accurate.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
My Divisions picks will be if TCU stays
West:
Boise
Fresno
Hawaii
San Diego
Nevada
UNLV
East:
TCU
Wyoming
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
UTEP, SMU or Houston
With the round robin schedule TCU and rest of the East will only have to go to Hawaii once every 4 years.
Also Hawaii will bring a good bowl game that can be used to draw big conferences. Whose doesnt want to go to Hawaii on Christmas Eve?
I like keeping Boise, Fresno, Hawaii, and Nevada together
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
and if TCU goes, you would add 2 of the 3 Texas Schools?
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Ya that could work
UTEP and SMU to replace TCU and fill that last spot
by WolfpackNev on Nov 18, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Only the west divisions schools will need to travel to hawaii every 2 years, the East once every 4 years.
by WolfpackNev on Nov 18, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
actually
the East schools could be less then 4 years, but less often.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
If TCU goes
It may be smart to just sit still at 10 and wait and see how SMU and Houston do for the next few years. If Houston falls off like many think, they’d be a poor addition. And SMU’s not guaranteed to improve.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
10 schools is a bad number for the MWC
10 schols = 9 conference games which will mean an unhappy AFA.
by WolfpackNev on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, forgot about that…
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
facepalm
I can’t say this enough: 10 teams does not mean 9 games automatically. The conference can do 8 games.
Expanding for the sake of expanding is a poor move long-term.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
could that cause problems when you decide a champion on conference record and every team doesn’t play each other?
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, I didn’t know that. I did remember the Big 10 does it and for a while it looked like like MSU and OSU could both go undefeated.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
It’s a little more complicated with 11 teams, because you’re missing 2 teams every year, which really ratchets up the odds of there being a tie between teams who didn’t face each other.
That never happened once in the 26 years the Pac-10 didn’t play a full round-robin.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Also
I looked this up to confirm it, but…
In 26 years, the Pac-10 never had a tie atop the standings between teams who hadn’t played each other.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
For this
I think wikipedia and the jhowell college football database.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
seems very unlikely then. I guess I’m just attracted to the idea of a championship game, but I’d rather wait it out than add a school and regret it.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ditto
Those are my sentiments exactly. My opinions on who to add are basically an extension of “if we’re going to add someone anyway.”
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think that the loss of TCU would completely sink that hope?
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
TCU's stats
Will count for the MWC no matter what, but the MWC is less likely to get a waiver if a team like TCU is what’s keeping the stats up and they’re then gone.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
will Utah and BYU count as well?
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
No
Because they won’t be in the conference next year. Next year is the cutoff year. Even if TCU decides to leave, they can’t leave before next year.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
That’s another scenario where adding other teams could work.
However, even then, it may be necessary to be patient so as to not risk losing AQ status a few years later.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
it is all very interesting, I did not see this Hawaii thing coming at all
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I didn’t see Hawai’i’ coming either. Hopefully it’s not due to the MWC knowing something we don’t about TCU…
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
nobody did
All I heard was they would go indy and then join Big West in other sports.
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 19, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I wish you could have a conference championship with 10 teams. I think you could make it work if every team played each other.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Question for you videogamers
Do any of the newer versions of the NCAA games let you rearrange the conferences and/or allow for a playoff alternative? I never upgraded to a PS3 or X-Box 360 and haven’t bought a college game in probably 3 years, but I’m curious.
For some reason, I’m under the impression that you had a playoff option in one of the Genesis versions in the way back when, so it’s not unprecedented.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:10 PM PST reply actions
Umm ya if this news came before the summer before the season starts
After they finish game any news after that has to wait till next years game
by WolfpackNev on Nov 18, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
No
I mean can you manually re-arrange the conferences yet? Or are they still not allowing that? i.e. I could put any teams in any conference I want.
It would sure save me a lot of grief were I to get a newer game.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think
you can swap teams around, but in BYU’s case not sure if you can make a team go indy
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by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 19, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
misread question
nah theres no conference switching option
by WolfpackNev on Nov 18, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
my NCAA 10 game lets you custom the conferences
but you can only replace teams, not add additional schools. I added NV and boise with Utah to the PAC10 WA st and BYU to the WAC
You can realign the conferences, but no playoffs. What I did/tried to do was put what would be the Pac 12 teams in the Big 12, and the Big 12/10 in the Pac 10 slots. Then it got tricky…
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Hm
That’s at least somewhat nice.
Last I checked you could only move up FCS/create-a-team schools into FBS conferences, but trying to move the team you replaced merely restored them to their original spot.
Then again, the last NCAA game I bought was ‘07 or ’08 (I’m not a huge gamer).
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not really either, thats the only game I have. They don’t have the FCS teams anymore, but you can still create a school.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hm
I’m not sure how I like the dropping of the FCS schools.
Maybe I’ll wait a few more years and see if they come back.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
From what I have heard they aren’t planning on bringing them back. The whole game has mostly moved in the direction of facilitating Online Dynasties.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
yeah… I used to play as Idaho State all the time. But the dynasties are a lot of fun.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I enjoyed playing as Northwestern State
It was the only Division 1 school that offered me for football – lol.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
the Demons? thats pretty cool, what position?
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
QB
I was a pretty shitty QB, I just came from a name school. I didn’t even start at my HS – I just met their coach at a couple camps and clinics.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I was also offered
A basketball scholarship at an NAIA school even though I wasn’t on my HS basketball team. To be fair, however, my HS consisted of about 6,000 kids to put a team together from.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
I really wanted to play BBall for my hometown JuCo school, but they were way too good and I would of had to gone to N Dakota or somewhere like that to get a shot to walk on and ride the bench. Truth is I wasn’t good, but as far as playing a sport, bball is as good as gets for my money.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I totally agree
Basketball is, and always will be, my first love. I just wish that as a child coaches had looked at my father and realized I wasn’t going to be tall enough to play the 3 my whole life. I only wound up at 6’3 (I was 6’1 when I graduated HS), and never developed the skill set to play guard.
And your reasoning is the same reason I didn’t take any of my athletic offers – especially the football one. I wasn’t going to go to a lesser school to maybe play.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, and when I realized how much it would cost to go to a half way decent school, I went the Military route instead of loans. And when I ride the bench of our Squadron team, I think I was wise to not chase that dream.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
haha, well CFB is never at a loss for poor QB play… at any level.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
True enough
But I didn’t have a very strong arm and was slow. I mainly got props for always knowing the plays, routes, check-downs, etc. That and taking a million tackles like a champ while running the option.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Something was going to be wrong because of all the new alignment… I had to get the new Big 10 w NU somewhere and get Boise, Nevada, etc into the MWC. I think somehow I ended up with the WAC being the left overs conference. It had BYU, Duke, some others… I tried to get a dynasty started but no one got on board
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
It was a mess. lol
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Walsh College Football was the best
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
I miss my Sega
I need to grab it out of my dad’s house over the holidays. I still have like 50 games for it.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
lol, I remember the games being 25 cents when all the other new systems were coming out. Lot of great games.
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by plainview88 on Nov 18, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I should have stocked up even more. In like 20 years they may be worth a decent amount on eBay or whatever.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I have NCAA 11
and it’s the best football game ever.
BUT….you can’t swap conference membership NUMBERS but you can change out schools. You can also swap all the teams in a conference. Many people online said for example that they switched the Pac-10 and the Big 12 schools. You can also drop teams from a conference. So many put Nebraska in the Big 10…but it’s fixed at 11 teams, so they usually drop like Northwestern.
It will be interesting to see if they change this in next years game. I for one would love to play the changing conferences. I mean in next year’s game Nevada for example would be in the WAC still, but if you played the Dynasty mode, we all know, and the programmers would also know that Nevada would be in the MWC in the 2nd year of the “Dynasty”.
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BYU has the WAC as anchor games for their schedule. Doesnt this screw BYU if the WAC breaks up in 2 years?
It'll certainly hurt
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by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Unless of course
All the former WAC teams wind up independent and desperate as well.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Ah
That makes sense.
I just looked at BYU’s future schedules on fbschedules.com, and they’re lookin’ pretty nice.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 18, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose it’ll matter less to me if TCU leaves to the Big East, but I really don’t like this move from a MWC perspective. Hawaii doesn’t add a new market, it doesn’t add fertile recruiting grounds, it doesn’t lock up Utah again, it doesn’t necessarily kill the WAC. All it does is add Hawaii, and add a game to our schedules every other year- which is kind of cool I guess, but it doesn’t do a thing for the MWC image wise, and Hawaii didn’t join in time for their stats to count for the MWC.
I don’t think Hawaii adds anything to the MWC except a long-ass plane ride.
It adds more depth to the conference.
TCU and Boise State are the marquee teams in the conference. Then there is San Diego State and Nevada who both are Top 25 teams. Then there is now 3 teams that get close to the Top 25 but can never get in: Air Force, Fresno State, and Hawaii. Then there is the four bottom feeders… That would be, 4 teams of Top 25 quality and 3 teams that annually go to a bowl. Every conference has their bottom feeders and the MWC is no exception, the only difference is that now the bowl quality teams greatly outnumber the bottom feeders. That is a TON of depth and no one can call us a top heavy conference.
Another thing they bring is the Sheraton Hawaii Bowl and that vastly improves our bowl lineup.
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Well,
Hawaii is a good, solid formidable program. Ask anyone who has played them. They were in the Sugar Bowl in 2008 after going 13-0 and beating Boise State, ending the season #10 in the nation. They ranked 29th when they played BSU a few weeks ago, and today rank about the same as Air Force at #34. Aloha stadium holds 50,000 and as for TV, the Islands have a base pop. o f 1,250,000 not counting a huge military population and visitors. And there is always a lot of mainland fan interest when they play. Hawaii is definately not a bottom feeder and always in the mix and might help with BCS AQ status.
I have gone there twice to play and it is a blast. I would rather add Hawaii and one other school that TCU might like for a partner, and go to 12, have a playoff, than take a chance and lose an unhappy Air Force or TCU. Besides, ask the potential MWC team recuits if they would like to go Hawaii every other year to play and have a luau on the the beach and you will find it would be a big plus signing them.
by bluesyourdaddy on Nov 19, 2010 5:32 AM PST up reply actions
Damn.......
Thats nuts.
The score dictated they pass
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