An open letter to TCU fans
by Finloopio on Nov 15, 2010 3:43 PM PST
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Dearest Frog Fans,
I put my self in your shoes during the BCS Standings show last night and it was pretty sick feeling. Every expert (besides Mark May - the one expert you don't care to have on your side) is predicting your downfall and telling the nation that TCU is completely helpless. All they can do is hope for a Boise State stumble. I know how you feel. All Bronco fans know how you feel. We have gone undefeated 4 times in the past 6 seasons and been jumped by non-aq foes three of those years. Twice we were left out of the BCS and fortunately the last time, a bizzare series of events took place which allowed us to make it in.
Just last week we were in your shoes. Hoping for a miracle in South Bend and in Forth Worth. We got what we needed and it feels good. Unfortuately it feels good for us at your expense. There is still hope for you however. Think of it this way: If Auburn and Oregon play for the NC game, TCU is more likely to get an at-large bid due to geography of the selecting bowls. Dallas FORT WORTH is a good fit for the Sugar Bowl and a far better fit for Miami than Boise. (Fort Worthians apparently don't like being associated with Big D. They are raising money to have build their own airport that nobody will fly in to that doesn't share a name with dreaded Dallas.) We have no chance of landing in the Orange Bowl if Virginia Tech wins the ACC, but you do. If we both make BCS bowls back to back years during the MWC BCS evaluation period, we are sitting pretty... that is if you don't jump ship for the Big East. So go pound New Mexico and get that at-large berth for both of our sakes. Time for me and the rest of Bronco Nation to bite our nails over the Fresno and Nevada games while you ruthlessly root against us.
Sincerely,
Bronco Fans
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I completely agree, we know how you feel and empathize.
by MyDadTeachesatBSU on Nov 15, 2010 2:41 PM PST reply actions
The whole situation sucks. The title game is a given #1 goal, but I’d really love TCU to play in the Rose Bowl (we’d be one of the only teams to play in every current BCS bowl then). That said, BCS is BCS, if Boise and TCU both get shut out of the title game, I’ll want us both to make the BCS.
Damn I hate the BCS.
"only team to play in every current BCS bowl"
not sure where you got this but I know for a fact Texas has played twice in every BCS bowl…..
Orange-‘49, ’65
Sugar-’48, ‘58, ’95
Fiesta-’97, ‘09
Rose-’05, ’06*(Rose Bowl as the BCS NCG), ’10*(BCS NCG in the Rose)
and 22 appearances in the Cotton Bowl
my bad....
saw you wrote “one of the only teams” but I’m still not that sure how exclusive that club is….
Alabama, Nebraska, Texas, Miami, Ohio State and Michigan have as well I believe, there may be others, but that’s pretty much a creme-de-la-creme of college football right there. And it gets more exclusive if you count the Cotton Bowl, which TCU also has appeared in.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 16, 2010 5:06 AM PST up reply actions
if you add in the Cotton Bowl....
it would just be Alabama, Nebraska, and Texas AND Tennessee, Penn St, Notre Dame, who were not on your list.
The Cotton Bowl should totally be added
Pre-BCS, it was one of the most important bowls. I don’t even know how many championships it helped decide, but it was quite a few.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
That's impressive
Texas & Notre Dame don’t surprise me. Penn State, though definitely a traditional power (and holder of, what, 4 undefeated seasons?) sort of surprises me, but only because they’ve done it and someone like Michigan hasn’t.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is, when a Big 10 team is at its best it usually goes to the Rose Bowl, so the #2 team has a significantly reduced opportunity to win against another conference’s champ.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 16, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, yeah
Brainfart on my part. That makes sense.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
also....
remember Penn St was Independent for a long time so they got invited alot when they were good, and Michigan has played in all the BCS games but never in the Cotton Bowl which has only hosted 17 different teams.
17 teams?
That can’t be right, can it?
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I just counted 18
In the first 20 or so years. It’s a lot more than 17 teams.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Heck
There have been 17 teams to have appeared in the Cotton Bowl at least 3 times. Maybe that’s where you got the # from?
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
doesn't really matter....
just needed to add Miami the five-fecta list but they didn’t win all the bowls.
opps....one more....
Ohio St has played and one in all five original New Years Day Bowls and according to Wikipedia only four teams have ever accomplished this so Notre Dame, Ohio St, Penn St, and Texas by my count
penn state too.
Why do canadians stick together? The same reason why Chris Horodecki turned his body and face around in his first WEC fight.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 17, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
+1
I was just about to say the same thing.
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
I know TCU is in Fort Worth
The “Dallas” was stated simply for geographical purposes. Some people don’t realize Fort Worth is just outside of Dallas.
Either that or they went to Boise State!
BOOM, roasted.
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
by Ben Findley on Nov 15, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
TCU better be brushed up on their geography. The Broncos already know where Glendale is, so they should be fine in the short term.
You know this boogie is for real.
by plainview88 on Nov 15, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad you will be headed to San Francisco
for the “Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl” after you lose to the one man wolf pack.
A guy can dream can’t he?
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
by Ben Findley on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
San Francisco? Oh, you mean that town just outside of Oakland.
You know this boogie is for real.
by plainview88 on Nov 15, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
lolz
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
by Ben Findley on Nov 15, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's safe to say
that most everyone reading this board knows where Fort Worth is.
I know I’m being difficult here but Fort Worth is not “just outside of Dallas.” That makes it sound like it is some sh!tsplat college town like College Station when it is anything but. Fort Worth is the 17th biggest city in the country and is 36 miles from Dallas. While they are close in proximity they are seperated by another city (Arlington). Arlington is where the Airport and stadiums are which Dallas and Fort Worth basically share. Furthermore Dallas and Fort Worth couldn’t be more different as cities and they HATE eachother.
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
Moreover
Grand Prairie’s between Arlington and Dallas, also.
And Dallas = new for the sake of new, crappy bars, shitty downtown (though ‘Uptown’ is trying to be ‘cool’), crime, and self-righteous, condescending assholes.
Fort Worth = real Texas culture (the Stockyards, the rodeo, etc.), awesome museums, great zoo and botanical gardens, a kickass downtown (including the original Flying Saucer), and cleanliness.
And I say this as someone who grew up in Dallas thinking it was great. Then… I discovered Fort Worth, and Dallas never looked the same.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 15, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW (to Finloopio)
It’s a common misconception that Dallas and Fort Worth are closer together than they are. They’re certainly not like Minneapolis/St. Paul or other city pair locales.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 15, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dallas and Ft Worth actually touch....cs
at the airport duh!!! DFW airport…..gosh yall are so stupid, Arlington is just a suburb of Ft Worth and Irving and suburb of Dallas. Yall should read a book and and again. DFW is like a Super-Walmart you got the food one one side and clothes and stuff on the other but who knows what side the cleaning products belong too….in the end it doesn’t really matter.
What?
I hope you’re kidding.
They don’t touch at the airport…. you do realize that neither city touches DFW, right? (Irving is between Dallas and DFW, and a number of cities are between Fort Worth and DFW – Arlington, Euless, Bedford, etc.)
Also, calling Arlington a suburb is a bit of a misnomer when it has 380,000 people. Ditto for Irving and its 200,000 people.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Ah
I didn’t get that (though the “I hope you’re kidding” was that very hope). CS = sarcasm?
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Also
I’d bet that most people not from Texas do think Arlington, Irving, Plano, etc. are more like suburbs and less like the giant city/suburb mixes that they are.
I grew up in west Plano, and always thought of it as pretty “suburban” until I went to other cities and saw what their suburbs were like (such as were my girlfriend grew up outside of Cleveland).
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
agree
I live in Richardson, which I don’t consider a suburb either.
If I had to picks the suburbs of Dallas it would have to be University Park, Highland Park, Farmers Branch, Addison, and maybe Ducanville.
Technically
The park cities are enclaves. But yeah, I know what you mean.
Addison’s hard to call a suburb because it has a lot of business and a decent little downtown.
I’d call the following suburbs though:
Allen, Rockwall, Garland, Coppell, The Colony, Lewisville, Flower Mound, Rowlett, Mesquite, DeSoto, probably some others.
One could also argue McKinney and Carrollton, for sure, though McKinney’s more and more like Plano/Frisco.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
McKinney
Last I checked, actually has about as much land as Frisco and Plano combined, and should wind up with over 400,000 residents eventually.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Agree with the list in principle....
but the burbs on my list would have to be within a few miles from I20, 635, or the George Bush So I’d add Grapevine, Grand Prairie, Colleyville, Wylie, Euless, and Cedar Hill.
Not so sure bout Frisco, Allen, and McKinney they are a little far out there but I know some people do commute however McKinney is really iffy because I feel like if you call it a suburb then you have to call Denton and suburb too, which is really a stretch.
The definition of suburb isn't really about distance
I mean, if you want to get technical, something like Prosper is an ‘exurb’ and not a ‘suburb,’ but the point of the debate is whether these cities are more ‘suburban’ in nature or more like a ‘city.’
Having been to many other suburbs in many other areas, I can say without a doubt that Plano, for example, is definitely not a suburb. From where I lived, I could hit 4 different grocery stores without hitting a light, as well as 5 gas stations, for example. Plano also an incredible amount of business (Legacy, anyone?), and has virtually every amenity a city has, save for maybe a major sporting venue.
McKinney, in contrast, is a lot more like suburbs I’ve seen in other cities. It’s distance isn’t really a factor, it’s more about the amenities and the layout. In parts of McKinney, you can hit like 5 street lights without finding a grocery store, for example. That’s really difficult to do in a place like Plano.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
agree again....mostly
I think we are just we are talking past each other, I agree that McKinney is suburban however in my opinion I find it hard to call it a suburb of Dallas, because the distance does matter in relation to the urban area it is from, I could almost argue that McKinney is a (rather large) suburb of Plano more so than Dallas. Suburban is more a description of the city and suburb focuses more on the description and the location, but once again I think we are just spiting hairs.
lol just realized how far off topic we’ve got
Btw
Did you go to high school in Richardson? And if so, which one? Back when I was in school the Plano schools and the Richardson schools were still in the same district for sports (along with Lake Highlands).
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
nope....moved to Dallas then Richardson after college....
Went to Longview out in East Texas…not sure about the districts but its nice for me now cause Longview plays Rockwall and the Mesquite schools.
Hm
That’s pretty cool then, I suppose. Plano now has to play Flower Mound I believe, which blows (distance-wise).
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Longview is in a conference with Tyler Lee who is nearly an hour away and Rockwall and the 3 Mesquites who are two hours away.
I remember when the district was Longview, Tyler Lee, John Tyler (who dropped to 4A), and Lufkin (who moved to join the North Houston area schools) when this was the district three of the four made the playoffs every year and only poor John Tyler was left out.
Tyler John Tyler
Dropped to 4A? Damn. My favorite HS football moment of all time is the end of the Plano East – Tyler John Tyler game.
But yeah, Flower Mound, though not truly far away for Plano, is a lot farther than what the old district used to be (Plano and the Richardson schools + Lake Highlands).
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Which of the Plano schools did you go to? I went to Haggard middle, then Vines High before moving to Fort Worth
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I went to Plano
i.e. Plano Senior High School, not Plano East or Plano West.
I went to Schimelpfenig and Jasper before high school, and only lived about 3 blocks from Haggard.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 17, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
before senior high, I should say
obviously, Jasper is a 9-10 high school
by VA Libertarian on Nov 17, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I lived a five minute walk away from PSHS when I was little. Good stuff.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 17, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Technically he's right though...
Both cities own basically a sliver of land stretching from their cities to the airport. My girlfriend used to live in Euless near the airport, but her street was Fort Worth owned and serviced by the Fort Worth Fire and Police departments. It was basically part of the agreement so that the airport would be named Dallas/Fort Worth was that both cities would technically “touch” the airport buying a sliver of land a few hundred feet wide to the airport.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
No
The cities (Fort Worth and Dallas) are jointly considered “owner cities” of the airport, but they don’t touch the airport. City services aren’t proof of land ownership, as they’re often based on regional factors. There are parts of Frisco served by Plano services, for example (or at least there used to be), and all of Parker is served by Plano.
DFW is within the city limits of Coppell, Euless, Grapevine, and Irving, and doesn’t touch either Dallas or Fort Worth. It’s a myth that either city touches the airport.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 20, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
If that's the case...
Don’t believe me, drive down Farm to Market 157 sometime between I-30 and 183. You’ll see city limits signs that say “Now Entering Fort Worth” and “Now Entering Euless” blocks apart along the road right around where the Baby Dolls and Jaguars that’s advertised everywhere because Fort Worth allows strip clubs while Euless does not.
As another example, check address 14301 Centre Station Drive, Fort Worth, TX 76155. It’s by the airport and has a Fort Worth address. Also here’s the Fort Worth zoning map here which will show a sliver extending to the airport.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
Fair enough
I found an even better map, and it does show Fort Worth touching DFW, but not Dallas. I suppose I didn’t realize Fort Worth touched because I know DFW is considered to be within the city limits of the four cities mentioned above. Dallas definitely does not touch the airport, however, as this map clearly illustrates.
Thus, the original point remains that Dallas and Fort Worth do not touch at the airport.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 21, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough...
In the grand scheme of things though, does anyone really care about the crap hole that is Dallas? In this case we should just rename it Fort Worth Airport :)
I honestly didn’t know if Dallas actually did touch, just knew Fort Worth did.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
We can agree there
Growing up on the Dallas side, I used to think Dallas was cool until I started visiting other cities. Then I visited Fort Worth, and it was hard to ever enjoy Dallas again.
by VA Libertarian on Nov 23, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
As far as anyone outside of Texas is concerned...
Dallas and Fort Worth are one in the same geographically. They share an airport so who cares if I refer to how far TCU fans would have to travel originating from Dallas? I’m sure several TCU fans live in Dallas anyway. Is Dallas like the hood and Fort Worth like upscale Texas suburbia?
But for those who don't know their airports...
I’d be surprised if they knew that Fort Worth was right near of Dallas. Unless they live in or around Texas of course.
pretty sure everyone reading a MWC blog
knows what city TCU is in and where it is geographically
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
People who live in Fort Worth care
and you apparently don’t get that
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
Never been to Texas, but...
my dad was born in Fort Worth and he’s always made that distinction clear to me. Trust me, as someone from Idaho (not Iowa), geography matters.
Take in in context
Dallas is closer to the Sugar Bowl to make the point that TCU would be a better fit for that Bowl… Common now.
Admit you are wrong much?
Guess not…
"Football is a violent game played by violent people, so put a smile on your face, murder in your heart and lets go kick these f***kers in the mouth" -Dick Bumpas, TCU Defensive Coordinator
by Ben Findley on Nov 16, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I think theres things that people don’t realize how important they are to people from any given area/region/city what have you. I get hung up on people pronouncing Boise, or Nevada “wrong” as Trivial as it is. And I am often learning that preconceptions that I had about a certain place or whatever were off target. The Idaho/Iowa one is an annoying one too, and thats an ENTIRE STATE!
You know this boogie is for real.
This reminds me of a riddle
Q: If you count its tail as a leg, how many legs does a dog have?
A: Four. Just because you say a tail is a leg, it doesn’t make it one.
Some people consider Baltimore and Washington, DC one and the same (and they share airport*s*), but they’re wrong.
Also to even refer to Fort Worth as ‘suburbia’ is ridiculous. Fort Worth by itself is over 140,000 people larger than all of Boise metro.
And, for those who don’t realize, the ‘metroplex’ is technically two areas: Dallas-Irving-Plano and Fort Worth-Arlington.
Then again, San Jose’s just a big suburb of San Francisco, right?
by VA Libertarian on Nov 16, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I wish this letter wasn't necessary
It wouldn’t if there was a playoff…
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The only good thing about this situation is that when Boise joins up with the MWC, if TCU is still around, there’s an instant rivalry there. How many rivalries are heated enough where you root for teams you don’t even play to beat the other guy? Not many outside of the SEC/Big 10.
I think it will instantly be Boise’s biggest rivalry.They don’t really have a true rivalry in the WAC years. In their 10th year in the Wac they have only lost 4 conference games, all on the road (Rice, Louisiana Tech, Fresno State, and Hawaii). I don’t say that to slight or take a shot at any other WAC school, it is just the way it has gone. During the WAC years, they have built a nice rivalry with Oregon State, going 2-2 against them. And even though it is just the 3 bowl games with TCU, they have already laid the groundworks for a real in-conference rivalry. I know some Nevada fans might take issue with me, and though they have played them close a few times, they haven’t won that game since 1998. Maybe its not fair to say it isn’t a rivalry and I’m not expressing my point correctly and I might just end up rilling some people up, but it is the way I see it.
You know this boogie is for real.
Well if you’re coming down to Fort Worth for game 1 next year, call up and we can have a drink together before beginning our hate in earnest.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'd consider the NV Boise st to be a rivalry
especially since they have such a long history of playing each other. But, really, I completely get what you mean, since a key part of what your saying is “a rivalry where the two teams of equal talent level”.
I guess there are really different aspects that go into defining a rivalry. You can look at history (ex: Nevada), geography (ex: the Vandals), or you can go with good match-up history where the two teams develop an intesity towards each other from some really good games (and, recently at least, no one in the WAC has been close to their level). What you want is something to satisfy the last part. Not saying Nevada is a rivalry is a bit of a stretch for me, but I get what you mean, especially since I can’t see it from a Boise st fan’s perspective.
And the more I think about it, I think you are right. 12 years can’t dissolve a rivalry, or it wasn’t one to begin with. And there is still a competitive nature to the games. It isn’t like Idaho State who is clearly not a rival at all anymore.
Nevada/Boise has a surprising amount of history and I probably went too far as to say it isn’t a rivalry. You can’t watch that game and not think “These teams really don’t like each other”. Another thing I overlooked is that I shouldn’t have just looked at football. As a whole, Boise and Nevada is absolutely a rivalry. I can’t compare any city in Idaho to Reno, but geographically much more in common with Boise also.
You know this boogie is for real.
An open letter to Boise State fans
If neither of us gets a shot at NC, I’d rather TCU play LSU in the Sugar Bowl and let Boise play Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. We’ve got LSU on our future schedule, so it would be a nice preview. In other words, who cares if were 4th vs 3rd, as long as we get a BCS bowl.
Now, if Auburn loses, of course 2 vs 3 matters :)
Boise State Rocks!
I still have to root for Boise State. The Broncos just rock!
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