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Oregon State's James Rodgers Injury May Cost TCU A Shot At The BCS Title

Everyone who reads in these spaces know that I dislike everything about the BCS and prefer a playoff. The computers are the biggest issue with the BCS; these computers do not even meet the basic standards of for quantitative reliability nor are the held to any mathematical standard. Then there is one computer ranking ran by Richard Billingsley who says himself that he is not a mathematician.

Besides those obvious problems with the computer rankings, and the fact that they do not consider margin of victory, another flaw is that the computers can not compute is how good a team was when the team was at full strength. The main example is Oregon State's James Rodgers, he is an explosive playmaker and Oregon State's best player. In the Beavers game against Arizona Rodgers' tore up his knee as he was taken down in endzone on a touchdown:

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The Oregon State team that TCU played and beat in week one is much different, and by different I mean better, then the one that just lost to an average to mediocre Washington team. The computers job is to take the information they are given which range from stats, location of the game  and whatever else the secret computer formulas include. These six computer rankings build upon what information they are given as the season goes on, so a loss to Washington obviously downgrades Oregon State's ranking in the computer rankings and in turn effect every opponent they played prior in the season.

However, there is no way for the computer formulas to take into account how strong a team was when they played each other -- which is a problem -- but rather the information is cumulative and effects every team as the season goes on. A small adjustment that probably should be made would be to have some sort of consideration within these computer rankings for how good a team was when they played the game. The amount should be small, but the computers need more information to be more accurate so why not add a section for how good a team was at the time they played the game.

While the human voters should take into effect of how good a team was when they played, but are the coaches (SID's or interns) really going to spend valuable time looking at the injury list or go back and see how good a team was when they played.

Looking at Oregon State's schedule they had a good chance of winning eight or nine games with a tough schedule, but now without Rodgers Oregon State just lost to Washington and now have only Washington State that is a sure win the rest of the way. Oregon and Stanford are now almost for sure loses with Cal, UCLA, and USC toss up games. 

With how close the top of the BCS standings are every little bit of those numbers can make a difference. Just look at the difference between Oregon, who is second with a BCS score of .9069, and Boise State who has a BCS number of .8846, so a bump in their computer score by .03 -- which equals only a one spot jump in the computer rankings -- which would put them in the two spot and play for the national title. 

So, the loss the James Rodgers from Oregon State looks to have a larger effect on Boise State then TCU, at this time. This is much different then Utah playing Pitt on opening weekend who was ranked 15th when they played and just ended up being a bad team.

While TCU still has a lot of work to do to make the BCS title game and will need some help from other teams losing, the season ending injury to James Rodgers already have cost TCU computer points in the strength of schedule category.

Using computers do actually determine who goes to the title game makes me sick. College basketball does it right with using the RPI as a guide and not the ultimate factor for their post season play.

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My heart broke for James Rodgers when I saw that injury

but hopefully he can get a medical redshirt and get some time to heal before giving the NFL a try.

Thank goodness for TCU’s SOS that Baylor is currently ranked, hopefully they can pull another rabbit out of the hat here.

Other things affecting TCU’s SOS more than the Rodgers injury is SDSU losing to Mizzou, a win there and everything looks different.

But I still think TCU can play in the NC if Mizzou, Mich St., both lose this weekend, then Oregon has to lose to maybe Arizona, and Auburn beats Alabama. I don’t see Nevada beating Boise but if TCU can beat an undefeated Utah at the site of Gameday I think that will be enough of a boost to pass them in the BCS overall.

But either way I will be happy if TCU just gets to a BCS game and gets to matchup with a traditional cfb power that is held in high regard.

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by Ben Findley on Oct 29, 2010 5:39 AM PDT reply actions  

from what I read

He should be able to qualify for a medical redshirt. That can also depend if he wants to come back.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 29, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

you need Auburn

to lose in your scenario as well. Well, I guess you are assuming TCU will jump Boise, but for good measure Auburn would need to lose before the Alabama game and then win the Iron Bowl.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 29, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my scenario

I am looking for TCU vs Auburn with TCU passing Boise. But yes of course it would help if Auburn lost to say Georgia and still beat Bama, Though something tells me a 1 loss SEC champ would still get the NC nod.

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by Ben Findley on Oct 29, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

The #2 reason for hating the BCS, right after “Teams that didn’t lose a game may not necessarily be the champion” is having to worry about what your previous and future opponents are doing to make you look good for beating them. In a perfect world, Oregon State’s injury problems wouldn’t be a concern to TCU and Boise, and we could all go back to rooting for Baylor, SMU and BYU to lose every game they play.

Cheering for your enemies to boost your strength of schedule makes my skin absolutely crawl.

by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 29, 2010 6:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I know what you mean, I always try to tell myself who I should root for as far as what would benefit Boise, but in the end I always end up just pulling for the team that I like more and there are some schools I just can’t cheer for.

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by plainview88 on Oct 29, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!!

My brother went to Texas A&M so he hates Texas, but his second favorite team is Boise. So,he was very reluctant at wanting Texas to beat Nebraska a few weeks back.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 29, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hope he gets a medical red shirt

…but at this point, I still think a spot in the “ncg” is TCU’s to lose. Between them, Boise, and Utah, I think TCU is the only one that would finish ahead of an undefeated Michigan State, Missouri or 1 loss Alabama, were that to happen. I think they are an Auburn or Oregon loss away. Also if they can beat Utah soundly they might, and in all rights should, pass Boise in one or both human polls as well.

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by plainview88 on Oct 29, 2010 6:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I shouldn’t have said soundly (I hate when people say a team has to do anything more than win a game), if they beat Utah by 1, I would move them past Boise.

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by plainview88 on Oct 29, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

there are three really good chances for some of the unbeatens to go down. i say two of them go down

mizzou and sparty are my choices to go down this week. usc has a 40%chance to beat oregon. three reasons: its a revenge game from last year where oregon put up 47 points and over 600 yards. it’s a home game and it basically usc’s bowl game so i would expect an all out effort. we will see.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 29, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think so

TCU does not control their BCS title destiny. If they, and everyone else, win out there is no guarantee they will not get jumped by Alabama, Missouri, or heck even Michigan State.

TCU needs help, and they really need Oregon, Auburn, Alabama, and maybe Boise State to all lose to get into the two spot.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 29, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think TCU will pass Boise if both win out.

That Utah game is going to be the single most influential game left on either schedule (in terms of human voters). Any kind of win there will sway a few humans over toward TCU.

by David Hooper on Oct 29, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats true, probably Auburn is the only team that controls their destiny, you can add Oregon too, but not as much as Auburn. I guess what I meant to say is I think TCU has the best shot at being in the top 2 spots at the end of the year of the 3 non-AQs.

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by plainview88 on Oct 29, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can't be serious....

In this article, you state “The Oregon State team that TCU played and beat in week one is much different, and by different I mean better, then the one that just lost to an average to mediocre Washington team.”

You obviously don’t know the Beavers.

OSU is a vastly improved team from when they played TCU. For the seventh consecutive season Oregon State failed to reach Oct. 1 with a winning record – combined 12-16 (43%). The Beavers are 39-14 (74%) in the combined months of October, November and December starting with 2004. Last week, they dominated a very good Cal team, and were ahead 35-0 until 12 seconds left in the game. Ryan Katz is a much better quarterback, as TCU was his first college start. James is definitely missed, but his shoes are being filled adequately by Marcus Wheaton.

OSU is 3-1 in the Pac10, and is looking to make it the third straight season where the Rose Bowl goes to the Civil War victor.

Be glad you played OSU early; you would lose to them this afternoon.

by scott.wilson.81 on Nov 6, 2010 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  


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