BREAKING: Mountain West Conference SUSPENDS three officials from BYU win over SDSU.

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by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 12, 2010 4:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

That is a ton of crap that's been forced on SDSU

I agree on where you stand as far as where SDSU should be had it not been for ref’s crap calls.

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by rebelfan1 on Oct 12, 2010 4:18 PM PDT reply actions

They said they checked into any technical malfuntions and they found none

And the fact that they went as far as to suspend all of them means either one of two things.

1. The officials were so incompetant to the point that they dont’ know the rules.

2. The fix was in.

Which was it?

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions

this just reinforces my belief in conspiracy's in college football. ripped off once maybe but twice!

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 12, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Sounds like...

some good old fashioned homecooking to me.

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by Ben Findley on Oct 12, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions

Found a good YouTube highlight of the fumble if you're interested.

Here.

(Since I don’t know if the provider has rights to the video, SDSU fans might consider downloading it before it potentially gets pulled.)

by David Hooper on Oct 12, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions

SDSU has the replays in their highlights. I can repost it here.

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions

This angers me a great deal.

Granted I thought SDSU came out a little flat to start the game, but it’s close to impossible to win on the road when you have to battle the opposing team and the F-N zebras.

I really hope this loss doesn’t cost us a bowl game.

by Smoove V on Oct 12, 2010 4:46 PM PDT reply actions

Officiating

I have watched the replay several times and there is no doubt that the BYU player fumbled. There is also no doubt that he face mask was being ripped as he was being tackled and that was not called either. Earlier in the game the Aztecs fumbled deep in BYU territory and that was not called. My point is the refs missed a lot of calls and focusing on one call in a game while ignoring any bad calls that went the Aztec’s way is very simplistic. If they call the first fumble the Aztecs don’t score on that drive. If they call the second fumble then BYU does not score on their drive.

Everyone seems to want to focus on the call that allows them to say they got jobbed but they ignore the ones that went in their favor. You cannot have it both ways.

by The Colt 67 on Oct 12, 2010 7:40 PM PDT reply actions

You're 100% wrong about what you think was a Hillman fumble. Read the rule book.

He was clearly out of bounds.

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Not to mention

even assuming that there was any facemask, which I didn’t see any, SDSU would still have been awarded the ball, just 15 yards back.

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Hillman

I did not think that he was clearly out of bounds and the ball was never out of bounds. It just sat there on the ground just in bounds. Reading the rule book will not change what I saw. I think fans tend to see what they want to see.

On your comment about the face mask, it makes my point. His helmut was being ripped off by the face mask. The officials could not see it and so they could not call it. But my point is that calls are missed on a lot of plays and to focus on one play and say that changed the game ignores all the other missed calls.

by The Colt 67 on Oct 13, 2010 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions

Why do you keep putting missed intant replay calls in the same category of missed calls during the game?

There is a difference. When you have slow motion views of the action that you can watch over and over you shouldn’t miss that call.

Sometimes instant replay is close, so I understand why they don’t reverse those calls. This wasn’t close, it was 100% obvious.

Like it or not, mistakes on instant replay are held to a higher standard.

by pbjelly on Oct 13, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions

Facemask?

Are you kidding me Colt 67?? His helmet was being RIPPED OFF by the face mask??
The Aztec defender had his hand on the facemask for a mere second because he used the SAME hand to jar the football loose!!? MY point is THAT bad call killed all momentum SDSU had at the time. And it was obvious the Aztecs needed that play since they could not stop the BYU rushing attack.

It only takes one play to turn a game around. Sure the Aztecs COULD have made another big play later in the game. But that particular play was HUGE. it made the game a two score differential once again and forced SDSU to play catch up when their offense was in rhythm at the time. Colt if you didnt know, its calls like this that easily make BYU one of the most HATED schools of all time. A pretty wild label to have for a school who really isnt on the radar when it comes to the grand scheme of things.

by AZTEC-MATTeo on Oct 13, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions

I disagree...

with the sentiment that SDSU would be 5-0 right now if not for those two particular calls. In the game against Missouri the missed call happened with almost a minute to go in the game. You can’t say for certain that even if they make that call that Mizzou doesn’t score in the possession anyway. And SDSU has no one to blame but themselves for losing to BYU. You can’t fall behind 14-0 in the first quarter in a game on the road against a historically good home team and expect to comeback and win. They were fortunate to have come up with that pick in the end zone in the 2nd quarter or it could have just as easily been 21-0.
Again the non-call sucks, but there’s no way of telling that it affected the outcome of the game with 100% certainty. Who’s to say that SDSU does anything with the fumble recovery? Maybe they go 3 and out and punt. Who’s to say that BYU doesn’t put another TD on the board later in the game?

by dmbase on Oct 12, 2010 8:11 PM PDT reply actions

Rationality

This is not place for a rational thought process. What you have said is the truth. Every play in every game has the ability to change the outcome and when you change one thing in a game other things later will be changed.

by The Colt 67 on Oct 12, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions

So you think it is rational to not get upset about the Missouri loss?

If the penalty had been called whould have:
1) 1st down and 20 on their own 22 yard line (I am counting a 10 yard penalty that should have been enforced.)
2) 51 seconds on the clock
3) No time outs
4) They were down by 4 so a field goal would not have been enough.

Sure, Missouri might have scored. The odds of that are EXTREMELY slim. It is safe to say that San Diego State would have won the game. Even the Missouri broadcaster had already called the game for San Diego.

Some mistakes count for more than others. For example, mistakes that turn into points are worse than ones that don’t. Mistakes that turn into points with long yardage involved are even worse than that. Sure officials make mistakes; however, when they account for a 78 yard differential, the 7 points that win the game, and it is in the last minute of the game it is a bigger problem.

I agree the BYU game is less clear. Although, Even here it is clear that BYU would not have scored the touchdown on this drive. This was a big deal. Mistakes happen and I can understand that though. What makes this worse is the fact there was a challenge call and an official review. It was clearly obvious the wrong call was made and the officials still made the bad call. In my opinion, any official in any game that is willing to overlook a call this obvious in a game should be fired. Now we will never know who should have won this game. It is clear SDSU would have had a good shot at winning though.

by daedalus17 on Oct 12, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions

send those refs to the sec where they belong. or maybe those are the refs from last year fromm the sec that made all their bad calls

i definitely agree with the mizzou game. little time and a long way to go. the aztecs should get to 6 wins and a bowl but another win over a big 12 team would have been huge.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 12, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions

I am just upset because I wanted SDSU to have national respect when we have our game with them.

I can only imagine what an SDSU fan is going through now.

by daedalus17 on Oct 12, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions

What makes this worse is the fact there was a challenge call and an official review. It was clearly obvious the wrong call was made and the officials still made the bad call. In my opinion, any official in any game that is willing to overlook a call this obvious in a game should be fired.

^ This.

by Smoove V on Oct 12, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions

So you think it is rational to expect obviouse missed calls on instant replay?

If SDSU didn’t call the timeout and ask for an instant replay it would be another matter. Missed calls happen. The problem is they did call the timeout and ask for an instant replay.

It is not rational to think this was no big deal when a ref makes a call this bad on an instant replay.

by pbjelly on Oct 12, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions

What are you babbling about?

What have you done that lets you take some sort of moral high ground? Are you trying to argue that the rules shouldn’t be enforced? Why even have referees at all? Why even play the games at all?

And I especially like how you guys chalk up anything that benefits SDSU as to “good fortune” and anything that benefits BYU as something that BYU accomplished.

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Missed calls don't happen on instant replay.

Sure there are missed calls every game. I have never seen a missed call this bad on instant replay. Missed calls on instant replay are not part of the game.

by pbjelly on Oct 12, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions

i thought most controversial calls were automatically reviewed by the guys upstairs except last two minutes or is that nfl rules?

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 12, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Wrong again.

BYU set the MWC record for time of possession and despite having the ball for 95% of the game they were only barely able to sneak by with a 3 point victory and that only after the officials made two crucial calls at important parts of the game which deprived SDSU of the ball twice.

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Also

Even IF SDSU goes 3 and out, it still changes field position in SDSU’s favor and still would have only put them down by 3 points. I still like their chances.

San Diego sports are cursed.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions

just an awful call

what is the point of even having replay in place if you’re going to miss layups like that one. f-ing terrible.

by pack_fan on Oct 12, 2010 8:57 PM PDT reply actions

The ref that blew the call owns a deli in Reno, NV

I’d be curious to see the records for all the sports books in the area to see if there was any unusually betting on this game.

by Smoove V on Oct 12, 2010 10:46 PM PDT reply actions

If this is true

that is hilarious

by pack_fan on Oct 13, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions

give me that refs name and i'll do the research. i'm in tahoe.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 13, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions

Sad thing is both cases..

…SDSU has no “official” recourse to address the wrongs!

First, the Missouri officiating crew admitted they were wrong.
Second, the BYU crew was suspended for blatant cheating. You don’t get suspended for less.

Neither Missouri or BYU deserved to win when its blatant enough that 1) you admit you did wrong or 2) the conference suspends you for doing wrong.

I can’t wait till TCU and Utah rack up 60 “style points” each on BYU!!

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by Ravenous Ute on Oct 13, 2010 4:20 AM PDT reply actions

THE REVIEW CREW GOT THE CALL RIGHT!

Does anyone remember the Hokuli play? The NFL changed the rule so the play continues after an inadvertent whistle, but the NCAA didn’t. Refer to rule 4.2.b in the NCAA rules. It says that when a ball is fumbled, but an inadvertent whistle blows, the ball goes back to the team who had possession.
If you watch the full motion replay with your audio up, you will clearly hear the whistle blow at the time the Aztec player has his hand on the ball but has it pinned against the BYU. Possession for the Aztecs is clearly debatable. The standard of evidence to overrule a play in the NCAA (ARTICLE 10.2) is ‘beyond all doubt’. There is no way that the Aztecs had possession beyond all doubt when the whistle blew.
This whole issue about cheating, Mormons, BYU, etc. is nonsense. The on field official blew the call.

by cceren on Oct 16, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions