Go Horned Frogs
by scotmichie5 on Dec 6, 2009 8:16 PM PST
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First I want to congratulate the Texas Christian University Horned Frogs are their very impressive performance this past season. That being said, I am a University of Utah fan. I think that what TCU’s team has done this year, is by far one of the best performances this season. I hope that they take it to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. I believe that Boise State does not deserve to be even in the BCS discussion. For one reason, look at what happened the last time they went undefeated. They couldn’t even win the Poinsettia Bowl. It takes a lot more than a couple of “blow out” wins over 100+ ranked teams to get respect. They will get embarrassed just like Hawaii did back in 2007.
TCU does deserve to be in the discussion for a BCS bowl, and even a National Title. Who is to be the judge in saying that TCU could not beat Alabama, or Texas? Just look at last year. Who was to say Utah couldn’t have beaten Florida or even Oklahoma? The BCS system is a joke. They need to start allowing other programs into the BCS, without having to have a perfect season. A playoff system seems like the only logical answer, but we all know how that goes. There is not a chance, at least anytime soon, that the BCS will change its ways and allow schools from “non-BCS” programs to be in the chase for the National Title.
I would like to end in saying that I fully agree that TCU is one of the best teams in the Nation this year. It is a shame that they have to prove how good they are against an “overrated” Boise State team, that doesn’t even deserve to be in the BCS. With that I would like to say GO FROGS! Beat them Broncos!
-Scot Michie
Go Horned Frogs
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My team is not important to this discussion
so I won’t bring that up. I have strong reservations about your post.
TCU certainly has been impressive this year and deserves a chance, along with Cincinnati, to be a part of a four team plus-one.
Boise State does not deserve to be a part of this discussion. They chose not to pursue upgrades to an out of conference slate that features Bowling Green, Miami(OH) and UC Davis. Accepting that two of those were better MAC teams when the games were inked than they were this year this still left something to be desired. Oregon and Tulsa was not enough to get them over the top.
Boise State deserves a BCS berth. They are undefeated and this is appropriate for them.
Our disappointment about TCU’s National Championship snub should not cloud our judgment regarding Boise State. Lets make the Fiesta Bowl great.
I want to see the Fiesta Bowl out rank the Orange Bowl. That will make history and could drive a real change.
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nobody is going to watch iowa vs georgia tech
lets hope tcu/ boise state pulls in better tv numbers.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Dec 8, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions
lol
Watching a TCU fan(even if temporary) put down Boise St. over SoS is extremely funny.
TCU barely has a tougher schedule than Boise St. The closest TCU came to beating a team like Oregon was BYU, the same BYU that lost to Florida St.
It never ceases to amaze me at what a warped view of the entire season some people have. Like they can pick and choose a few games out of the year for the teams, and even past years, and use them as claims.
It amounts to nothing more than taking the best few games in argument for “your side”, and then taking the worse few games on the “other side” and paints a biased picture. Lets take a look if that was done here, shall we?
TCU = best season ever.
Boise St = couldn’t win the Poinsetta bowl years ago.
Check 1.
Boise St = blowout wins against teams not in the top 100 not counting.
TCU = no mention of the numerous teams TCU plays not in the top 100, or top 75. Or the fact that TCU played 2 teams ranked 75th or worse before every “hard” game they played. “Hard” being 2 teams between 15th and 25th ranked teams. Yet, TCU played a FCS team, and many very subpar teams this season except for 3 games. TCU’s 4th strongest team this year was Air Force.
I notice mention that teams without the perfect season need to be in the BCS, while at the same time calling the BCS system a joke, in reference to teams that played much tougher schedules than TCU and having a perfect season? I’m in favor of the playoffs, but you entire article here is nothing but BS.
If you want to be taken seriously, then put your bias aside. So many good reasons why the playoffs are the best answer, and you failed to hit on any of them.
TCU
had a much better schedule they beat two teams that are currently in the top 25, and the ACC runner up. Tell me how close Boise is to that.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 10, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Boise St has 6% less SoS
By my rankings, TCU’s schedule is 6% tougher than Boise St. TCU’s schedule is 18% weaker than Texas.
When you look at the strength of schedule, you have to consider the entire schedule. Including that FCS Texas St. TCU played, and all those bad teams.
Yes, Boise St has the weakest overall strength of schedule of the undefeated teams. But the difference between TCU’s SoS and the SoS of either Alabama or Texas is much greater than the difference between Boise St and TCU.
I do rank TCU above Boise St as a result. But not by that much, and not enough that I can see TCU blasting Boise St over the schedule.
Wow by your rankings.
I saw those on ESPN last night
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 10, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Would you rather I quoted the ranking systems instead, to point out the 80th place TCU?
I use the %‘s and my own rankings because I think it is a bit more fair. If you wanted to use the kind of rankings you’d see on ESPN, then it would be something along the lines of TCU’s schedule is ranked 83rd, or something along those lines.
However, 83rd isn’t really fair to TCU, because by my numbers, the weakest schedule is still 61% of the difficulty of the stronger schedule.
TCU by numbers has a schedule that is 23% weaker than Miss. St.
So, which do you think is more fair? That TCU’s schedule is ranked 83rd, or that TCU’s schedule is 23% weaker than the toughest schedule?
And btw, my rankings aren't biased
Utah was #1 in my poll last year, I don’t have biases in my rankings and such. It’s just number crunching based on the best philosophy I could come up with. It’s not perfect by any means, but it is unbiased in what it does.
Boise
Played UC Davies, Utah State, New Mexico State, La. Tech. I know New Mexico is as bad but UNLV, SDSU, and CSU are a step ahead of those three.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 10, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget Texas St.
La. Tech was a much tougher team than normal this year for sure. I was surprised at how well they played Boise St, and LSU. Not a quality win by far, but I’d say LA Tech is easily better than CSU, about even with SDSU.
UNLV i would say is higher quality than La. Tech.
But Virginia, one of TCU’s big "out of conference" games is not what TCU needed. At 3-9, that is also worse than LA. Tech. That is about like beating Vandy from the SEC.
TCU’s schedule overall is tougher than Boise St. But not by much is all.
What about UC-Davis
Boise State played them.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
you mentioned them already
You mentioned them before, but no the Texas St. one for TCU.
Like I said, TCU’s schedule is a little tougher than Boise St’s. But not to the amount where TCU has any room to say a word to Boise St. about it.
In addition
UC Davis was our 13th addition to Boise’s schedule. Up to that point, it was all Div1-A teams. The athletic department wanted an extra home game, since a road trip to Hawaii ever other year allows it, so they added UC Davis.
Sadly, just adding that game did hurt SOS. But if you want to compare fairly, throw out UC Davis and Boise has 0 Div-1AA teams on their schedule… Still 12-0.
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Actually,
Jeff Sagarin has TCU and Boise State ranked 82nd and 98th, respectively when it comes to SOS.
Not all that different. TCU played a marginally better schedule at best. Boise State is the only of one the two with a win over a current Top 10 team.
To put it plainly, they’re fairly evenly matched, and played very similar schedules.
Should be a great game.
GO BRONCOS!
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Yes
I think TCU had faced top heavy opponents more so then Boise. But the bottom of the MWC mainly New Mexico and CSU badly weighed down their SOS. Cant wait till the game.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 21, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget Texas St.
La. Tech was a much tougher team than normal this year for sure. I was surprised at how well they played Boise St, and LSU. Not a quality win by far, but I’d say LA Tech is easily better than CSU, about even with SDSU.
UNLV i would say is higher quality than La. Tech.
But Virginia, one of TCU’s big “out of conference” games is not what TCU needed. At 3-9, that is also worse than LA. Tech. That is about like beating Vandy from the SEC.
TCU’s schedule overall is tougher than Boise St. But not by much is all.
Scores
I was going to self-righteously proclaim that TCU beat their lesser opponents handily. I was going to ask, “Did Boise State do that?”
Then I checked the results posted on Boise State’s Web site. And, yes, Boise State did do that. Now that I think of it, I remember sitting at TCU games and being disappointed as Boise State’s scores displayed on the score board showing that they were beating their opponents fairly handily, too.
I still think that TCU had better scores against slightly better teams, save Oregon (like 38-7 against BYU and 55-28 against Utah), but there wasn’t that big of a difference. I guess we’ll all just have to wait until January 4th and see who shows up in Glendale.
My money and my heart are still with the Frogs, though. I think that coaching and the balance that this team has will make the difference. We know the offense is going to score. I think we’ll see a defensive and/or special teams score (or two) by TCU, as well. I don’t think they can stop us, but I do think we can stop them.
winners are always picked based on players playing well.
Nobody ever picks a team thinking they won’t play well, so the players always have to step up no matter what is predicted.
I think TCU will win because it’s going to be the first time Boise St. has seen a real defense this year. TCU is built like an SEC team.
Utes....
ScotMichie5- 36-3 at your place. My favorite highlight of all time is that U helmet rolling across the field after Gerald Alexander whacked your guy. You know what I’m talking about. While we are at it, how about 12-1 vs. MWC, 1 point loss in the Poinsettia, game in doubt until the int. Why are Ute fans so much more obnoxious than Horned Frogs…? The Broncos would annihilate the Utes and the Cougars this year. Cougars can’t handle the speed, and the Utes couldn’t score for four plays if the other team left the field. Your freshman QB was a little better, but not much. TCU is a tough matchup, I’m excited about it.
Oh really?
As a representative of Bronco Nation, let me just say: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 17-10 BSU! I’d like to invite you to eat your words, sir!
Horned Frog Nation
Folks, pay no attention to Andy 11…and I promise there aren’t 10 more like him.
Allow me to complement the entire HFN on a great year, great class and great school. Many of us hoped all year you guys would receive the nod for the NC game but the Horns are blessed…or lucky. We were surprised to be playing you in the Fiesta Bowl, figuring you would at least be playing Florida or Cincy. The Fiesta Bowl was great, as evenly matched as well…last year’s Poinsettia Bowl.
Which brings up a point – things are getting better. Last year BSU (13-0) played TCU (12-1) in that bowl, and both of them should have been in a better bowl. This year, it was the BCS, and next year, who knows. As a Rice grad transplanted to Idaho, I remember the old Southwest Conference days and feeling a certain kinship with TCU as we duked it out every year with the 40K + schools like UT, A&M, etc. I have followed the TCU program since then and been very impressed. With 16 of 22 starters back at TCU next year and Boise State with 21 of 22, we may find both teams crowding the top, again.
PS – Now I know where the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders all come from. My 8 year old son remarked at one point in the game “gee dad, those TCU girls sure are pretty.” Indeed – there was a camera parked right there the entire night :-)
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