If College Football Had a Playoff: #11 Virginia Tech Hokies @ #6 Boise State Broncos
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 22, 2009 9:00 AM PST
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Before we get to game four the previous matchup of #10 Iowas at #7 Oregonn was all Oregon in this matchup and they move on to play Texas (now that would be sweet if real).
This current matchup features Virginia Tech from the ACC and Boise State from the WAC. This matchup will feature a speedy Tech defense against a very dominate and well oiled offenisve machine for Boise with QB Kellen Moore. Boise State will have too much for Tech on both sides of the ball for Tech to keep up. The Hokies do have Tyrod Taylor who is a dual threat quarterback who could cause some trouble for the Broncos.
With Boise State at the smurf turf where they do not lose and they most likely would not. Simulator What if Sports has Boise State in a very surprising blowout 40-27. What if has Boise running out to an early 21-7 lead and never looking back as Boise is powered behind their running attack and put together 241 yards and four scores on the ground.
Now it is time for the fan vote to decide who moves on, yes that is you. Check back daily at 12 PM eastern time to vote for the next matchup, and voting is only for 24 hours. As they say in Chicago vote early and vote often.
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Two words why Boise wins.
De Fence.
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Strange voting so far.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 22, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions
Any particular reason the sixth leading rusher in the nation is not included?
If Ryan Williams didn’t play in this simulation, you guys would beat the crap out of us, but I am thinking that it would be a completely different game otherwise.
not sure
But all players were used in the simuation, it is just the widget that is off
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 8:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is garbage...
1) Ryan Williams is not included in rushing.
2) We will leave Boise behind in speed on both offense and defense, you will not be able to run with us.
3) Boise has not seen a D all season with our kind of speed and scheme, they will not blow up the scoreboard, we will bend but not break.
4) Boise will not have the firepower for a traditionally (last 15 years) elite college D. And don’t call out OU, b/c no major program wants to play you in a bowl, it is a lose/lose situation (even though the OU game was entertaining and I pulled for Boise), this is why nobody will play you in the regular season. If the payoff for VT was not huge and SU did not want out we definitely would not have scheduled the FedEx game (alumni base in NOVA is large). We would not take a home and home (lose/lose again) and probably not a two for one with you (out of footprint, lose/lose, travel tough on team, etc). The best you can hope for is some sort of realignment when the “Big I can’t count” expands and you either get added to the PAC 10 or a secondary power conference is aligned w/ MW and WAC members improving your credibility as a major contender. Sorry for the reality check.
5) Boise will not be deep enough on D to handle the O line on the run in the second half, our ball possession scheme will run you down and you WILL get blown off the line in the second half. This will open up RW for over 150 yards for the game.
6) Boise’s only shot will be to get up big early and hope we have to pass the ball which will jilt our generally balanced to run heavy offensive blend.
I guess we will find out next year… When we have another all ACC tailback coming off an injury (yes, count it, two all-ACC tailbacks, and the number 4 TB out of HS last year waiting in the wings) that is more of a bruiser, the O Line has another year of experience (lose two, but backups played well this year later in the year), and our LBs and DTs are deeper and have another year of experience under our belt.
Good luck with that one….;
by widespreadhokie on Dec 23, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions
Love your passion but relax
I am not sure why he is not listed on the rushing the widget. How ever if you take the time to look at the simulation link from What if sports he is listed with 258 yards and 3 TD’s so quit complaining about that.
I personally think Boise would mop the floor with Va. Tech because of the weapons Boise has. Yes Va. Tech has a good defense, but so did Oregon and Boise beat them. Why is depth an issue the ones of Boise can hang with EVERY team in the country included your multiple loss Hokie team.
I will be happy to see Boise easily take out Va. Tech next year. Good luck and thanks for commenting.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
How many sub-4.4 guys does Miami have out of South Florida?
For that matter, I wonder if they have any sub-4.3 guys. I don’t have the time to do the research, but I guarantee it is more than six. Yet VTs team speed was superior, Oline was superior, and scheme was superior. I recall that we mopped the floor with them when the media was hyping that the U was back.
And lets be real, has anyone really fielded a consistent year after year defense in the PAC-10 since Washington in the late 80s and 90s (I think). Sure USC will field a D due to talent, but they are inconsistent. It appears that Oregon has a decent D this year, but at the same time Boise beat up on them in the first game of the season. I would like to see Boise play a more mature Oregon cinderella team now with the confidence level up.
Addressing the depth being an issue, I can point to our own experience a/g Nebraska in the Orange Bowl 1996. We held them tight and maybe even led (can’t really remember) until about halfway thru the 3rd, and then they were still bringing them out fresh, sure we had ones that could play with them in the trenches, but with two ball control offenses on the field it turned into a war of attrition, and they had more capable bodies. That being said, let’s look back to Texas and the Sugar Bowl win in 1995. We went up, went up bigger in the 3rd, and they had to press, abandoning Ricky and the BMW running backfield. This is the formula that Boise will have to use to beat the elite, who either have 4 or 5 stars at most every position, or, like VT can develop and evaluate talent better than anybody in the nation to build a squad and depth.
So, over the last 15 years, we have established ourselves (as a consistent top 15-20 team) and learned the importance of depth (which you cannot get without being established). Sometimes we fail at it, sometimes we are successful, but it appears that more recently we are doing a better job. Maybe it takes 10 years on the national stage b/f you can actually get the right players consistently, I do not know, but do not tell me that depth will not be important a/g the VT ball control offense.
The last thing I will point out is that the southeast teams are soooooooooooo much more physical than the west coast guys. It is more about manhandling folks rather than duck and dodge. In the south we will basically tell you what we are going to do and dare you to stop it (I would guess that about 80%-90% of the major southern schools are running a version of the I and single back pro set as a base, some even run old school option as a base still, i.e. GT, we don’t run the spread or the dink and dunk so much, and on a side note it is funny that the most successful team in the past 10-15 years out of the west does the same sets as the southeast powers) . I am not saying which methodology is better but I think this coupled with the depth and ball control will not bode well for Boise.
BTW, I look forward to Boise getting wallopped by TCU. Anyway, just my opinion thru orange and maroon glasses.
And tell the guy below that we were an independent for something like 40 years b/t the old Southern Conference and the Big Least and it is hard to win a Conference championship when you don’t have a conference. Not that we could have won it much anyway.:)
by widespreadhokie on Dec 24, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Also
Why is the ACC so special they are below the Big East and on par with the MWC
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, you really did your homework
I understand you’re from the east coast and nothing of any worth could come from west of the rockies, but you sound like every other BCS team fan. You rant about how Boise couldn’t do this, or doesn’t have that. But you’ve never seen them play or even tried to know the cenario.
For instance, you mention that Boise’s D-line is not deep enough to hang with your east coast super athletes, but D-Line is one of Boise’s deepest and youngest positions this year. Oregon has the best athletes Nike can buy, how many yards did they run for? Now, I know the studs there on the east coast can run faster and harder than anybody over here so there is no way we could stop Va Tech, but it wouldn’t be because of depth.
Our slow players will make it tough on us too. We had at least six players, including all three running backs, 2 DB’s and a WR, run sub 4.4 40’s. I hope they can keep up with an ACC team.
I’m glad we get to play the ACC and Va Tech next year so a real underachiever can show us how it’s done.
Don’t get bitter, get better.
Boi Blue
funny
your guys widgets are way off if you would think you would mop the floor with VT. congrats on your 1 win against anyone that was worth a damn…the first game of the season no doubt. we all saw what happend when you played a real team with UGA…they whipped you up and down the field. you guys really get off beating middle of the pack pac-10 teams. you’re very lucky oregon turned the season around otherwise your ONE decent win would be laughable. i think we see now how weak the pac 10 is after their number 2 got demolished by byu…at team FSU totally spanked at their place. you think VT hasn’t seen 4.4 guys before? yes when you play a BCS schedule, you see those numbers every week. also, it’s funny how your “widgets” left out all our top WR’s…our #1 RB, and our #2 running back. i guess we’ll see come october 2010. again congrats on your ONE win against someone that was in the top 70 in SOS. you base all your stats from one freakin game with an oregon team that you caught with their pants down the first game of the season. it’s a little easier for a team like boise playing at home to spend all their time all preseason getting ready for a ONE game schedule. last time you played a team from the east coast i think your asses got spanked….remember georgia? you say you can hang with every team in the country based on what? 1 or 2 games a season…maybe if your AD would lower the ridiculous asking price you guys have for a game some of these other top BCS schools will start scheduling you and you won’t have to keep playing middle of the road pac-10 teams. so until the asking price gets lowered..quit crying that no one will play you. financially it makes no sense for some of the top teams in the nation to play you all and for the record, yes i consider oregon st and oregon middle of the road pac 10 teams since the pac 10 is weak normally minus southern cal. cal always underachieves..oregon loses games they shouldn’t historically, and oregon st is usually an overachiever.
Haha, dude...
Are you talking about that game 5 years ago? Our team’s a little different now. As for the rest of your blather…yes, we love beating “middle of the pack” Pac-10 teams (despite the fact that we beat the Pac-10 champion), and we will enjoy beating a middle of the pack ACC team next year as well. But the one thing we are really hoping you pass along is how to choke, underachieve, commit crimes, and become ineligible. You guys are experts at that and we just can’t seem to make it happen.
I sure hope you guys have played, and even roster, some sub 4.4 guys. My point was that we have ‘em too. You closed-minded easterns are always telling us how we don’t have the tools of BCS schools. I was merely pointing out that you have no athletic advantage, so you better hope your players are smarter (laugh) than ours and that your coach is half as smart (spit up drink) as ours.
Boi Blue
Oregon middle of the Pack
didn’t they just win the FREAKING league and going to the Rose Bowl and if not for an injury to Dennis Dixon a few years back would have been in the title game. Really what has Va. Tech done since Michael Vick left, not much more then Boise. They have4 3 BCS appearances since then with a single win. While Boise has been to 2 and depending on what they do against TCU willhave MORE BCS wins then Va. Tech. The ACC is nothing special, yes the WAC is no where near but quit attacking like the ACC and Va. Tech are amazing, so tell me where the Hokies finished this year?? Thats right NOT in a BCS bowl, see ya next year when this will be decided on the field
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
well
if VT had the schedules BSU have had, i wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t be in a BCS game every year. you’re just like everyone else, hanging your hat on ONE win that happened in the first game of the year where it was the only game BSU really needed to prep for. see ya next year….i’m sure you’ll be cakewalking all the way to october when you visit DC. also, since vick left VT is one of only 2 teams now that have posted 10 wins or more for the last 5 years possibly 6. below avg…probably not. the only thing that has held us back from winning more is an oline which is now starting to get sured up. good luck next year containing ryan williams, darren evans, tyrod taylor, and our WR’s.
dumb?
i guess you are too dumb to read…yes, i brought up a game from 5 years ago because that’s the last time you played a team from the east…and got spanked. it’s a different brand of football you get from teams from the south east….hard smash mouth football…unlike that finesse crap from the west. and as for oregon…if you read what i said(unless you are too stupid) it said historically oregon is a middle of the pack team that loses games they shouldn’t. AGAIN, CONGRATS ON THAT ONE WIN AGAINST A TEAM IN THE TOP 70 IN SOS. when you can play a SOS that is ranked in the top 20 year in and year out..then you can go on about choking, underachieving, etc. i really don’t see much difference from your team then to what it is now other than coaches…dink and dunk. your qb has a lot of yards and TD’s but he’s only avg’ing like 8 yards a pass…tells me the rely heavily on run after the catch. trust me, we’ve played plenty of sub 4.4 guys and yes we even have a few on our roster. please kick it off to dyrell roberts so you can find out. so mature of you that you can laugh and spit out your drink. just like your blue turf…you can’t be taken seriously.
BTW
alabama has more wins than oregon does in the rose bowl…that should tell you what type of team oregon is…middle of the road pac 10 team that usually finishes around 4th..so yes you are right when you say…choke, underachieve, commit crimes, become ineligible…you summed up oregon pretty well. congrats on that WIN. join the MWC if you want at least a little more respect. see ya next year.
You're cracking me up.
I love how you bring up all this “historical” stuff. Like anybody cares how Oregon did any other year than this year. This year they were Pac-10 champs, and we beat them. Last year they were Pac-10 runners up, and we beat them. 5 years ago, we lost to Georgia. But, the last time we played a team from the east was a loss to Boston College by 4 or 5 in a bowl game. That’s my point though. Don’t talk like you know anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about (maybe some research on the Oregon QB injuries might explain why you think they underachieved). Just spitting out words like “southeast smashmouth football”, and “historically” doesn’t mean crap. TCU beat Clemson and Virginia (from the southeast), and Utah beat down Alabama (from the southeast). Where were the smashmouth badass eastern boys then?
When’s the last time Va Tech came west? In the past five years the furthest you’ve travled was at Nebraska and at LSU. This year you didn’t venture off the east coast. What do you have to talk about?
But remember, those past teams aren’t playing anymore, so they don’t really matter.
Boi Blue
Where was Va. Tech before Beamer
They were nothing only 3 league titles in school history two were shared So I can say that Va. Tech is a below average team since they only have 5 outright league titles with 2 shared in over 100 years of football. Does not sound like a great team historically.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Nice poll.
Love it when it’s based mostly on fan votes. Results definitely not skewed toward the college team with a larger fan base, nor against the team that a specific conference loves to downplay year in/out.
Not attacking you, Jer. I think you do class act work. Just wanted to mention that some polls don’t mean anything (Heisman, anyone? … Anyone?)
"You know where i'm from, a little suspicion about one's true identity and motives is considered good manners."
-- Nale
I agree with that
I know that it was not scientific and I know that Boise would be favored against Va. Tech and probably win. I included the simulation from what if sports as a guide. I figured the Boise vote would win out since OBNUG has a pretty big site here and I posted a fan shot on each schools site.
Hey, Florida was out voted by Penn State, so.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
here you go
here’s some facts for you….
since 2002 if you count arkansas as a southeastern team…BSU is 0-4 against teams from the east and they also have a loss to ECU in there…looks to me the only team from the east you beat are the louisana techs of the world(who is in your conf so you have to travel there). i don’t give a rats ass what TCU and UTAH are doing. I was not at all surprised TCU beat clemson and virginia. clemson always underachieves virginia just plain sucks. utah against bama was the only shocker. also, apparently it doesn’t look like you venture too far from the west for OOC games either? why is that? too busy scheduling oregon and oregon st? this well oiled machine the op speaks of wasn’t so oiled looking during the tulsa, louisiana tech, or nevada game..at least not on both sides of the ball. to think that BSU would dominate VT on both sides is dumb. as for this simulation, you can simulate it any way you want….you can simulate it to where it’s run oriented and VT wins in a landslide.
wow
besides traveling west to play USC how come va tech never travels west and saying Oregon and Oregon state are bad teams just shows your lack of CFB knowledge.
In that sim va tech ran for over 300 yards. Also cracking on conference mates Clemson who oh by the made it to the title game while tech was watching on the is not helping your case. If tech is so much better then why did Boise get chosen over them for the bcs
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 23, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I can give you a couple of reasons that Boise got picked over VT or any other large...
BCS public university for that matter.
1) Politics, there would have been political uproar amongst congress (who obviously have nothing better to do, lol) and folks in the MWC/WAC footprint.
2) Geography, the bowl is the Fiesta in AZ, if it was the orange or sugar with that pick, things may have been a little different (even the Rose with its tradition). Boise alum’s may actually travel to this game in a recession.
On an aside, I am certain that without the public outcry factor in number one, number two would not have mattered (it only made the choice more feasible), Boise would not have been an at large. Any large public institution in the South, be it Clemson, FSU, VT, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU, Arkansas, most any Big 12 team, most any Big 10 team, and yes, as much as it pains me to say this, the toothless, couch burning bunch in Morgantown (WVU for those out west) would more than likely travel better than boise, even to AZ. This is what the bowls are about, bringing $$ to the community.
And don’t give me the garbage that we have over 3K tics still left to the CFA Bowl, this is our third time in Atlanta this year, and some of us have wised up that the cheapest place to get a good tic to a nationally non major event is out in front of the game, not from the VTTO (which is run poorly and most hokies loathe).
All of this being said, I am not sure that there is not some bizarre BCS rule that would have prevented Boise from being left out. But I am willing to bet that TCU vs. BSU will have the worst ratings of any BCS bowl, and I’ll also take the over if the O/U is 55 or less.
At the same time, I can guarantee you I will watch the track meet, should be entertaining.
by widespreadhokie on Dec 24, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Ratings??
I think it will between the Orange Bowl and the Fiesta Bowl. The politics and the extra tickets are there for the Va. Tech game is a reason a playoff is needed because ticket sales should not be part of bowl inclusion or exclusion.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 26, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
to clarify
0-4 OOC against eastern schools from the BCS.
arkansas, boston college, georgia, louisville
and it’s funny..usually it was the only loss of the season..wonder why? cause your schedules always suck! you can’t honestly with a straight face say that your schedules are ever difficult. i wish i was a coach where i had one game that i really needed to concentrate on.
This guy is making us look good.
Boise fans remember when nobody in the northwest respected them. They would be saying the same things that doug32 is… and he may or may not be right. We dont have the top recruits on our roster, although that is changing. All the teams over here in the west used to say that we didnt have the depth either, hell they were probably right too since we had barely jumped up to Div. I A. Ask teams over here if they take us lightly anymore?
When someone goes out of their way to make the comments that you are making though it shows me two things:
1. Lack of respect, and trust me… thats exactly what the Broncos feed off of.
2. Your scared. If you really thought that VT was going to absolutely run over us next year with your sub 4.4 defense, best special teams in the country, and your 2, count em, 2 All-ACC runningbacks you wouldnt even bother. Its like us going to the Utah State boards to make sure they know how good we are. It doesn’t even need to be said.
We all know how a deer acts when he is backed into a corner, and I dont blame you for doing what you are doing. We may be in the WAC, we may play a lousy schedule, we may not get the big recruits, the big bucks, or have the big stadium… but there is 1 thing that VT will never be able to match BSU on/off the field: intangibles.
So when we come over to the east coast next year, to one of your nests and beat you on most likely PrimeTime Television… and I will be putting money on it that we do, you will find out. It wont be week 1, it wont be on the blue, we will play Oregon State the week before, and it wont b on a gimmicky play. Maybe then, instead of complaining about how you guys beat yourselves you will look at our small, slow, weak men walking off the field and tip your hat. The problem is you will be doing it about 48 football minutes too late, just like your team. Just like many teams have done. Good Luck in your bowl game that is just a touch more meaningless than ours. See you next year.
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