Holy War Week Brings out the Worst in Fans
I know we should be pumping out more Holy War articles with this game being one of the biggest and most hated rivalry games in the country, go ahead and ask Mississippi State head coach, former Florida offensive coordinator, and former Utah quarterbacks coach Dan Mullen -- he agrees. Myself I grew up in Houston and the Texas Longhorns and Texas A&M Aggies was the huge rival game and was very heated between the two schools. Personally I liked both but hedged toward the Longhorns just to tick off my brother who went to Texas A&M.
Then I came to Utah and realized that the Texas/Texas A&M rival had nothing on the Holy War. In my opinion a reason that the BYU and Utah rivalry is so big --after the religious aspect-- is that Utah only have the Utah Jazz and then Utah and BYU. While in Houston there are fans of the Dallas Cowboys, Houston Texans, Houston Astros, and the Houston Rockets; so there are more rooting interests. With only two major football universities (sorry Utah State) and one pro team the state is divided on the only other major sports action. Having lived across the country I feel that I have a good pulse on how big this rivalry is nationally.
For those who are unfaimilar with the schools BYU is an extension of the LDS church where they have an Honor Code that all football players -- and students -- must follow such as no drinking alcohol, having girls over at certain hours, certain length on hair and facial hair, plus other guidelines that are not the norm at Utah and nearly every other college campus. The religion aspect that goes along with BYU is that they feel they are superior to Utes because as Austin Collie most eloquently put it:
"When you're living right and doing the right things on and off the field, and when you’re doing those things, things come together. It’s not a coincidence that you’re successful when you’re doing things right, but [it is] from being blessed by the Lord’s hands. That’s the type of faith we have and play with, and it’s nothing different than any other team or athlete who puts their faith in God."
That might be the best quote from the rivalry and the good folks at SB Nation's BYU site Vanquish the Foe are counting down the most memoribal quotes this week leading up to the game. Utah fans hate that quote and feel that is the arrogance of BYU. Thanks to Collie, that quote is often used when BYU loses a game because fans twist it by saying that someone from the BYU squad is not living by the BYU honor code standards.
For full disclosure, I did graduate from Utah and that is my team I cheer for, but do not have the hatred toward BYU as some Utah fans posses (check the comments and a response post). I do think that some BYU fans feel they are better then Ute fans in general because BYU had an amazing run under LaVell Edwards and their national title in 1984 -- which oh by the was 25 years ago.
The LaVell years were amazing but it has been just about a decade he was the coach and that national title was so long ago, and sounds lame when Cougar fans mention that national title. Now, I am not down grading their title that year but I do not hear TCU fans keep proclaiming their 1938 AP national title when comparing themselves to their rival SMU who have been crowned national champions but none by the AP poll.
To me that sounds crazy to hang onto and mention a 25 year old national title and Cougar fans need to finally relinquish their feeling that they are the dominant program and acknowledge Utah is the top team in the state. The past decade the Utes have had two undefeated seasons while BYU has had only one in the past eighty years.
Here is visual proof of the goofiness of BYU fans, and this is taken after the BYU win over Oklahoma:
Then there is the wackiness of when a BYU fan jumped a male Utah cheerleader who then got various punched thrown their way:
Both sides go crazy, and even myself who wants BYU to do well in big games and generally tolerate BYU fans, but this week is different. While I nitpick what people say from BYU and usually feel what they say toward the Utes is a slight. This week is the greatest week of smack talk from all sides and this rivalry can stand on par with any college football rivalry in the country.
Since I am not previewing this game my prediction is that Utah's defense will be the difference and expect this game to go down to the wire as have so many the past six years with a Utah win.
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The craziest thing about that first video:
None of them are drunk.
by JollyWaffle on Nov 24, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At least Utah has soccer now.
Not sure if that’s better or worse.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 24, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
With only two major football universities (sorry Utah State) and one pro team the state is divided on the only other major sports action.
I think this is spot on. And also one of the reasons I hate the Jazz with the ferocity that I do. I got so tired of hearing about them when I was at BYU. Of course, part of that might also be that I’m a Nuggets fan.
The religion aspect that goes along with BYU is that they feel they are superior to Utes because as Austin Collie most eloquently put it:
Austin Collie aside (as I don’t know him personally and don’t really want to judge on one quote that may or may not accurately reflect his true feelings), I don’t think we should generalize that all BYU players and/or fans feel superior to the Utes (or anyone else) as people. Sure some do, but every school or team has it’s loony fans, and I think they’re the vocal minority. Now, BYU fans may feel superior as fans for irrational fan reasons, but I would say Utah fans probably feel superior as fans as well, but I think that kind of goes along with being a fan. I see it among fans of other schools and of various professional teams, too. But I don’t think most people really, truly feel superior as people.
All that being said, I generally love the rivalry (but hate the ugly aspects on both sides that invariably come out) and hate the Utes as a BYU fan, but am glad to be a bit removed out here in California. Much easier to avoid the annoying bits that way.
by holly96 on Nov 24, 2009 7:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I know not all BYU players or fans feel they are superior, but the small amount that believe that usually make the most noise. The Collie quote is just too easy to not make fun of.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 24, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, fair enough.
Your quote seemed to imply all fans were that way, so I just had to interject.
Hopefully there’s a statute of limitations on that Collie quote, though. I suppose if there is, we haven’t hit it yet, since he’s only one year removed from the team.
by holly96 on Nov 24, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that quote will last the test of time such as...
BYU’s Lenny Gomes:
"All those guys think that’s all there is to life. But when I’m making $50–60,000 a year, they’ll be pumping my
gas. They’re low-class losers."
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 24, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did you catch the piano boy singing byu fight song on the utah blog it's funny.
so is the one about hitler mocking the byu team. somebody inserted the words. i laughed for 1 minute. it lasts a little more than 2 minutes. i have no hatred towards byu but i certainly want utah to crush byu by 4 or 5 td’s. i certainly will smackdown their irratating fans too.
yes i am obsessive, obnoxious, in your face and all about covering the spread. those are my good qualities.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 24, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We tend not to lord our National titles over the Ponies to the East, but we do mention them from time to time when the boys from the Brazos (A&M and Baylor) start talking about how wonderful they are. They don’t come up with SMU since we realize that both of our programs sure were great before most of us were born, but the real story is in the game now (which we tend to dominate).
Meanwhile as the Aggies and Tech have historically gigged us at every turn, we froggy faithful know we have at least one needle to twist in the arm of our Big 12 brethren. Number of National titles won by TCU: 2. Number of titles won by non-UT Big 12 Texas teams: 1.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was just an example
To show how lame it is to bring up old national titles.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 25, 2009 6:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Just don’t let any Aggies know I said so.
by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 25, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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