The Mountain West Conference May Need Boise State Now More Than Ever
With the Mountain West Conference looking to become stronger and gain an automatic bid to a BCS bowl, a popular topic of discussion is always expansion. Boise State, in particular, is most often the subject. Rumors surfaced that Boise State president Bob Kustra received an invitation to join the MWC in 2008, further fueling expansion talks. We touched on expansion back in July, but with the way the 2009 season has played out so far, it makes far more sense now than ever.
Craig Thompson and the MWC want to become a BCS automatic qualifying conference, and they want it bad. Moving from a "mid major" non-BCS conference to one of the BCS "big boys" instantly boosts the conference and programs within it to an upper echelon. Massive cash flow in the millions would flood into the Mountain West with superior recruits, coaches, and facilities immediately following. The Mountain West will do whatever is necessary to gain this; they have made that very clear.
The BCS evaluates conferences over a four-year period to determine automatic qualifier status using three methods. The three methods they give us are:
1. The ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings each year.
2. The final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year.
3. The number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS standings each year.
That is all the information that we are given. It is not known if each statistic is given an equal weight, or if other factors go into the rankings. The BCS is very vague about this.
The Mountain West, in order to gain AQ status, must finish ranked ahead of a current BCS conference over the current four-year evaluation period which started in 2008 and ends after the 2011 season. If the Mountain West can outperform a BCS conference over the course of this evaluation period, they would become the seventh BCS conference and would not replace any BCS conferences.
Following the 2008 season, the Mountain West Conference-- for the first time ever-- finished ranked ahead of the Big East and Pac 10 in these methods of ranking according to BCS Guru's calculations. The Big East is considered the weakest of the six BCS Conferences so the Mountain West must at least beat them out.
In 2008, the Big East's highest ranked team was Cincinnati at No. 12 in the final BCS standings and Pittsburgh finished ranked No. 20. The Mountain West, meanwhile, had No. 6 Utah, No. 11 TCU and No. 16 BYU in the final BCS standings. According to BCS evaluation data, the MWC finished barely ranked ahead of the Big East in 2008.
The 2009 season, however, has been a much different situation. The Mountain West is about as strong as they were in 2008, but the Big East has made significant improvements from last season. In the current BCS rankings, the Big East has three Top 25 teams with No. 5 Cincinnati, No. 20 Pittsburgh and No. 23 West Virginia and South Florida sitting just outside the Top 25. The Mountain West also has three Top 25 teams with No. 8 TCU, No. 16 BYU and No. 18 Utah.
According to the BCS AQ conference evaluations, right now the Big East beats the Mountain West by having Cincinnati ranked higher than any MWC school. The Big East also is likely winning the average BCS rank category. Currently, six of eight Big East teams have a winning record compared to only five of nine Mountain West schools.
The conferences tie on the number of Top 25 teams right now, but if South Florida can get back in they will beat the Mountain West in that category as well. They could potentially outperform the MWC in all three of the categories for AQ evaluation in the 2009 season.
Boise State can put the Mountain West over the top. They are currently ranked No. 4 in the BCS standings. If the Mountain West were to expand and add Boise State, they would be able to use their stats when they were in the WAC as long as Boise State plays one year in the MWC.
Using Boise's current ranking, the Mountain West would be ranked ahead of the Big East in two of three categories and possibly even all three. Boise State likely must stay undefeated, because they must stay ranked ahead of Cincinnati in the final BCS rankings to help the Mountain West in the highest ranked team category. TCU also has a good chance of passing Boise State and Cincinnati if they finish the season undefeated, which would hurt Boise State's cause to join the MWC.
After expanding to add TCU in 2004, the Mountain West denied that they were looking into any further expansion. It appears their views have now changed. Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson addressed expansion during the 2009 MWC media days:
"We spent a lot of time talking in general about expansion specifically, not about particular institutions. I think the conversation typically at a directors level has centered on maybe a 10th team will help us. But the real issue is practical scheduling. You really take away any scheduling for BCS purposes, if you will. Now, if conversely a team were to come in and really strengthen the BCS cause that would be reason for focus. It's something that we've looked at."
They are looking for a team that will put them over the top in the BCS evaluations. Boise State is the only team that can do that for the Mountain West. Not Houston, Fresno State, Tulsa, or Hawaii. Thompson is very serious about gaining an automatic bid and will do what is necessary to achieve that.
If the Mountain West plans to invite Boise State into their conference, the invitation will likely come during the summer of 2010 by the deadline of July 1st. Under WAC conference rule, Boise State would have to give their conference one-year notice before leaving to avoid being penalized.
Boise State would play their first season in the Mountain West in 2011, which also happens to be the final year of the BCS evaluation period. When the 2011 season is over, the BCS will do their evaluations and the Mountain West could use Boise State's stats from the three years that they played in the WAC and the one year that they were in the Mountain West.
Would Boise State leave the WAC, where they play half of their games on ESPN, to join the Mountain West with an awful TV deal? Of course they would. The Mountain West is a better geographic fit for the Broncos and would provide them with much more competition and money.
With Boise State's current scenario, they can go undefeated and still be denied a BCS spot because an undefeated MWC team has a much tougher schedule. In 2008, the undefeated Utah Utes finished ranked ahead of undefeated Boise State and the Broncos did not make a BCS bowl, despite finishing ranked No. 9 in the BCS standings.
Boise State University president Bob Kustra has made his intentions of joining the Mountain West well known.
"I've said many times since I've been talking about this in my four years here, the WAC is a good conference for Boise State. Its only drawback as far as I'm concerned is travel and the difficulty of reaching across the nation to play your competitors. And if we could hook up with the Mountain West, which has excellent competition, which has considerable academic quality, it would be a good match for us."
Boise State would help the Mountain West Conference significantly. They are consistently a Top 20 football program and will likely be highly ranked to help the Mountain West with the final two years of the evaluation period.
The Mountain West is largely considered a "top-heavy," three-team conference; Boise would help the give the conference more depth. Gaining the Idaho market wouldn't be much of a recruiting boost for the Mountain West, but becoming a BCS conference would drastically improve recruiting. The Boise TV market isn't very big, being ranked 112th in the country, but they would still help increase viewership to the Mountain West's TV stations.
The MWC currently has rather boring conference play, with only games when TCU, Utah and BYU are involved gaining national attention. Adding Boise State would give the conference three additional games each year that would draw a national audience, which results in more money for the conference. Rivalries between Boise State and Mountain West schools are already blooming. Competing for BCS bowls has developed heated rivalries between these schools. Boise State fans travel well and would make the trip to these big-time games.
Last summer, there were rumors that Utah and Colorado will be invited to join the Pac 10 if they decide to expand. If the Mountain West loses Utah but acquires Boise State, they would not regress nearly as much. Boise State is not a good basketball school, but football seems to be the Mountain West's main focus.
If Boise State finishes undefeated as expected, they should expect an invitation from the Mountain West to come next summer, by July 1st. The prediction is bold, but evidence suggests it's true. If not, then the Mountain West probably thinks that they can gain automatic qualifier status without the Broncos. This should become a much bigger topic of discussion as we approach the offseason.
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very nice
The invite must come early this summer I think the deadline to allow play for the 2011 season is july 1. I totally agree with you the addition will come this summer. If not I would be very surprised. Travel is better no more going to hawaii or la tech and boise is actually getting better in hoops but compared to MWC they would be middle of the road at best.
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 21, 2009 8:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The July 1st deadline is for announcing to the WAC their intention to leave for 2011.
This would all be decided in the June MWC board of directors meeting.
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by utesfan100 on Oct 22, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what ESPN would do with the WAC if Boise left
I’m guessing Boise is the only team that gives them decent ratings. Maybe adding Boise could strike the MWC a good tv deal with ESPN
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 21, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tv
Perhaps they could trade espn for vesus and get a few games on espn instead and as for the wac their games would be on espnu more then now if boise left.
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 21, 2009 8:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't our TV deal expire in 2016?
If we got an auto bid in 2012 that would be awful to be stuck with the TV deal for 4 more years.
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 21, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
I thought the deal was a 6 year deal back in 2007. Ill see what I can find.
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 21, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys should post an explanation of the MWC TV deal
Is it exclusive? I know that the Big 10 has the Big 10 network, but ESPN gets first dibs each week on picking up Big 10 games to air.
Couldn’t the MWC do something like this with Versus or did Versus pay to become exclusive?
by Nick Kroes on Oct 22, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The TV deal is very confusing
Even being a huge MWC fan I still don’t really understand it.
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 22, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV deal
Here is a link to a story I did recently. It is exclusive with Versus, CBS College, and The Mtn. As explained in the article I wish Versus would swap with ESPN which would carry a game or two a week, that is similar to the big 10 deal
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bronco fans..
Would you want to leave the WAC where half of your games are on ESPN to play in a much tougher MWC?
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 21, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't speak for the rest.....
but this BSU fan would be thrilled at the idea and I don’t see anyway the BCS could not grant the conference an AQ bid to BCS games. Furthermore, by getting an AQ entry into the BCS games should also improve the likelihood of also receiving legitimate consideration for at-large selections to the BCS bowl games as well. The posibility of landing two teams in BCS bowl games would be an incredible increase in revenue for the league.
by Mountngrown on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Can't speak
for any other bronco fan but myself… but if Boise joining the MWC meant an automatic bid for the conference— then YES! I think that could be a very productive step for BSU and all of the teams in the conference.
by BustersBFF on Oct 21, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The MWC needs Boise State and Boise State needs the MWC
I can’t tell you guys how badly I want this for the Broncos. How great would it be to have Boise State, BYU, Utah, and TCU all competing in the same conference? I’ve wanted this for five years already. I really hope you’re right and it happens.
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by Dr. Jrig on Oct 21, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unreal - Narrow Minded - MWC does not want Bozo State
You are all up in the night. You are not looking at the big picture here…other than wins (which is nice) Bozo state brings nothing to the MWC follow the simple logic below:
1. Boise State does not have a law school, or med school and while they may boast some research capabilities they pale in comparison to Utah and other MWC schools.
2. Boise State is located in a truly great state – idaho however Idaho isn’t exactly producing lots and lots of blue chip recruits every year. My point from a recruting standpoint bringing Idaho into the picture doesn’t really expand the MWC’s recruiting base. TCU did.
3. Boise State academic standards are not that of the MWC schoools: Air Force Academy, Utah, BYU, TCU etc… all have much more rigourous admissions standards than does BSU. Think about it… why did Utah and BYU leave the WAC ? One reason was to disassociate themselves from teh Boises, Fresno’s, UTEPs and San Jose’s of the world. These universities have their place in our world however their standards are lower.
4. TV Market share – BSU may have a small national following because of their recent success but they are in the 116th television market in the country. That doesn’t exactly do much for our TV deal or its revenues. Financially it doesn’t make sense.
So yes BSU would love to come to MWC because for them it is an upgrade in every sense of the word. For the MWC it is only a football related upgrade. Think about it we don’t make all of our decisions based purely on the pig skin although some of you think we do our University Presidents certainly will not.
by Waterute on Oct 22, 2009 5:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
big picture
Is the BCS money if the league were to get an auto bid. That would be around $20 million per year to the MWC. It all revolves around money, and if the academics did not add up then why talk about how Boise wants in the MWC or Commissioner Thompson wants to add Boise.
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 22, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Football generates revenue and Boise State can bring a lot into the conference. especially if the MWC gets an auto-bid
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 22, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple counter points
These hinge off Boise St joining the the MWC getting the BCS spot.
1. CSU has neither of those, they are in the conference. Boise does have a Honors Health Sciences college. Not sure this point or #4 makes much sense. As far as I understand the MWC is an athletic conference and only depends on the athletic departments. SDSU is part of the Pac-10 for mens soccer so this only applies to athletics as far as I can tell.
2. Boise only has 21 Idaho kids on their roster now. By getting them and becoming a BCS school, higher talent will come to all the schools as they have a better chance to play for a BCS National Championship.
4. With a BCS bid on the line our TV will get bigger, ESPN will come calling for sure.
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by bhsmarine on Oct 22, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because Boise’s television market is small, doesn’t mean people outside of Boise don’t watch them.
Who cares where the people are when they’re watching Boise State as long as they are watching Boise State.
by Nick Kroes on Oct 22, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The MWC only has 3 big time games each year
TCU vs BYU
Utah vs BYU
TCU vs Utah
adding Boise State would double that with 3 additional games that bring in a national audience. This would be huge for the MWC.
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't think of a reason why this is a bad idea.
And if Boise St wants to join the MWC, then all that’s in the way is the MWC. But considering how badly they want to get into the BCS conferences, they HAVE to be considering Boise St as an option for expansion.
by JollyWaffle on Oct 22, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Problem...
Unless the Thompson is 95% sure he is going to become a BCS conference by adding Boise State, he won’t do it, nor should Boise want to join. It just means more revenue sharing across more schools. The only way around that is to dump a current MWC school. San Diego State comes to mind very quickly. They don’t have their own stadium, their team stinks, and they are geographically a poor fit for the conference.
by Finloopio on Oct 22, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If the MWC were to drop someone it wouldn't be SDSU
First of all, I don’t think the MWC can drop a team. I think that team must agree to leave the conference.
San Diego State would not be dropped. They are in a very large TV market and a recruiting hot bed. They have a good basketball program and an excellent baseball program. San Diego is home to the MWC’s Poinsettia bowl. Their football program has tons of potential, they just need to turn it around and Hoke is starting to do that.
If we were to drop someone it would probably be Wyoming or New Mexico. Dropping a team is very unlikely though because that team must agree to leave. No team would leave the MWC to play in the WAC with way less money if the MWC became a BCS conference.
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by Michael Rueckert on Oct 22, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 22, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson
He used to be very firm on only adding Boise if it guaranteed them a BCS bid, but in media days he waffled some and said a team that could get them there should be worth considering.
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 22, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a post from this summer
examines expansion from the context of the BCS automatic qualification process.
It concluded that 2010 is the best time for a MWC expansion and 2012 would be optimal for a BCS league. A MWC expansion in 2010 could lead to a MWC automatic qualification for 2012.
This thread also suggests that the Mayan’s, and everyone who ever stated that the world would end before the MWC ever sees BCS inclusion, could be proven correct at the same time.
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by utesfan100 on Oct 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
boise, automatic bid, expansion
Yes, the MWC needs boise state more than anything, but if the truly wanted to look like a real BCS league they need to expand to twelve teams. Expand with Boise, Fresno and Houston!
Just imagine, stealing Boise, a team with a BCS win and one of the top 15 programs year-in and year-out; then Fresno, the 2nd best team in the WAC team and one that takes on tough BCS teams regularly; and finally Houston, the CUSA conference champion with an elite offense!.
Split the league into divisions and by region for traveling purposes. Play everyone in your region and division every year and additionally one of the regions in the opposite division every year and the other one the next:
Division 1:
Northwest: BYU, Utah, Boise
Southwest: Fresno, UNLV, San Diego State
Division 2:
Northeast: Colorado State, Wyoming, Air Force
Southeast: New Mexico, Houston, TCU
Compare this league with the Big East and i like our odds in every game—even though there are certainly bottom-feeders after the 7-8 spots:
New Mtn West “Big” East
1-TCU 1-Cincinnati
2-Boise State 2-Pittsburgh
3-Utah 3-West Virginia
4-BYU 4-USF
5-Houston 5-Rutgers
6-Fresno St. 6-Connecticut
7- Air Force 7-Louisville
8-Colorado State 8-Syracuse
9-San Diego State
10-Wyoming
11-UNLV
12-New Mexico
The MWC gets stronger in Cali, Texas, and the whole dang state of Idaho! Only then will we be able to argue for a BCS bid and better TV deals from a position of strength. It needs to happen now or Utah will be gone when the Pac 10 come a calling!
by Mattreedah on Oct 29, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
If 12 teams go with Houston, but not so sure on Fresno any more since the WAC has cut down on grey shirting. I think Fresno, Tulsa, or Nevada should be the choices as the 12th team.
by Jeremy Mauss on Oct 31, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wyoming
I disagree with you on the level you are putting Wyoming at in our conference. Wyoming just made ana amazing comeback win over fresno st. in the New Mexico Bowl where their FRESHMAN quarterback converted on 2 4th downs on the game tying drive in regulation. Wyoming has a new offensive coordinator that was originally the offensive coordinator at Missouri. With having that QB for the next 3 years, Wyoming’s football program can only get better.
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by rebelfan1 on Dec 20, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CSU & Wyoming swap
Move Wyoming up to 8 and they beat Syracuse but are still below Air force, Fresno & Houston.
by patrick r on Dec 21, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UNR
Why isn’t anyone seriously considering UNR as a team that could help the MWC get an AQ? This year was supposed to be a rebuilding season, and Rich Ault (Legendary UNR coach) is thinking about stepping down from their AD position to the head coach. UNR’s offense looked promising, but their defense was shaky, that was the reason they lost their first 3 games. They won their next 8 games and then lost to Boise State at the end of the season, by 11. THIS WAS A REBUILDING SEASON AND THEY DID THAT, 8-4!
Not to mention now that UNLV has fired Sanford, their gonna be playing some better football (chances are) and that would make for a great in-state rivalry, in basketball and football. UNR and UNLV are already bitter rivals, they play each other once every year and football, but not at all in basketball. UNR’s basketball program is getting better by the moment, and they might bring in some tv deals if and when they go against UNLV.
Right now I think we have a slim chance, at best, at getting an AQ. If we want to get an AQ and get more national recognition around the league we need to add at least one team, better chances if the MWC becomes a 12 team conference with 2 divisions and a championship game. Obviously the first choice to bring in would be Boise St. The next 2 are a toss-up, right now in my mind I think Fresno St. should be also invited. Other teams that would be in the running to get that final 12th spot are UNR, Houston, Tulsa.
Houston had a pretty good year for football in C-USA this year, but that was only because Case Keenan was throwing the football. Without him they would have been nothing. Although having the team do so well this year will bring in some good recruiting talent for their football program. Houston is not a sure thing, the only thing they would bring to the table is a good football program for sure next year (Keenan was a junior). No strong basketball or baseball program that would help make a strong BCS bid for the MWC.
Tulsa is not a proven football program although their basketball program looks to be on the rise. UNR seems like the most sure choice if we want to make a BCS bid.
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by rebelfan1 on Dec 19, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think they are a choice
They would be a good local rival for UNLV. If the MWC goes to 12 it should be Nevada, Boise, and Houston.
by Jeremy Mauss on Dec 21, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevada over Fresno State???
Fresno is a larger TV market, is a better recruiting base, has a larger stadium, and is a natural rival for San Diego State.
by patrick r on Dec 21, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston over Nevada
Nevada is a good fit too but Houston wins here. They may not have the history but they do have the support. They have a small stadium but already have approved a $38 million and the only thing slowing that down is the new AD looking a building a new stadium from the ground up. Add that together with top 10 TV market, huge recruiting base, natural rival for TCU and well above MWC football average finishes last year, this year and it’s all but a lock
by patrick r on Dec 21, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Possible Rivalries in MWC
Most rivalries here are pretty good, if you look at BYU and UNLV they have a pretty stiff rivalry. UNLV and SDSU are starting to make a bit of a hoops rivalry… there are many other rivalries currently going on in the MWC, here are some of the possible rivalries that could happen if the MWC expanded to 12 teams.
First, look at the choices. UNR, Boise St., Fresno St. and Houston. Second, look at the different rivalries each team could bring. Fresno St. with SDSU, Houston with TCU, UNR with UNLV… MWC expansion could not only give us an Automatic Bid, but we would have so many in conference rivalries, it could almost be like the Big 12’s college football rivalries.
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by rebelfan1 on Jan 8, 2010 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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